education. i love that idea. vice president of ohio state board of education she and her husband launched the excel afterschool program and engages parents to help elementary students improve school achievement and attendance that's not the lords work i don't know but it is. nine, and a 13 based out of minneapolis welcome to this table. that anybody can answer this as well. so what brought you to the point that you decided to speak with a heads your children attend? what drag you into this discussion? >> we moved our kids from one school to two catholic schools so that would've been august of 2020. grateful that they are in school all day every day. even with masks. we move them because we started to be concerned what was being taught at the carter institution. and i think we're pretty successful. and with critical race theory. it started to creep into the everyday discussions of the classroom and then chapel. things like that we decided the writing is on the wall we will move to different schools and certainly it was the right move for us. however i was also encouraged over and over again not to assume that all is we

like i have to imagine you being on the ohio state board of education, you have colleagues who don't agree with you, who don't agree with your positions and maybe are a little astounded that you're taking the positions that you are taking. i am just kind of curious to know how you interact with them and where you have been able to make some progress and headway? what kind of arguments and discussions maybe make the lights go on, the scale go from the eyes? >> first of all, i speak with truth and love. and one of the things i demand of all my colleagues on the board is that you know for yourself. i always tell my children, there are three sides to the story, your side, my side, and the truth. and we need to ascertain what is the truth in this case. parents need a simple message. even in critical race theory, one of the tenants's knowledge is socially constructed. that is not true. so, they want to put away science and reason. but you want to use science for masking the children, but you don't want to use science when it comes to educating the children. so, my concern is that we need a