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or earlier i spoke with laurie fund, their board campaign manager at oil change international. and that's a group working to support a just transition away from fossil fuels. i asked her if she plans to push for further litigation against oil, john yeah, certainly, and yet today's reading is clarity of set back. but it also has some strong elements that actually will help us hold big polluters, going forwards. the record was very clear that not just states, but also companies including shell, have a legal obligation to reduce their emissions, to protect human rights and build their duty of care. and it said that it cannot survive and specific emission reduction obligations for show based on global automation pathways. and this that the lot the court to dismiss, dismiss, know your defense, these claims. but the court this recognize the new investments in oil and gas fields are incompatible with climate goals. and then companies have legal responsibilities. i quote, to take their responsibility and disrespect. the step was laurie funded board speaking with me earlier, spain's prim

laurie van der burg, now works for oil change international, and gave me this response to the court's while the ruling is obviously a setback, i am while the ruling is obviously a setback, iam not while the ruling is obviously a setback, i am not that concerned about it creating an unhelpful precedent, and this is because the building actually has a really strong elements that will help hold big polluters accountable for the climate crisis going forward. the court was very clear that notjust forward. the court was very clear that not just states forward. the court was very clear that notjust states but also companies have a legal obligation to reduce their emissions to protect human rights and fulfil their duty of care. while it was unable to impose a specific emission reduction target on shell, it did say that the investments of companies like shell any new oil and gas fields are incompatible with the new temperature requirements. this is potentially an opening for the continuation of this case, but also for other future court cases to challenge these investments, specifically. fin in

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and these are the bought by oil change international which actually calculates it to just reduce the public military spending by 20 percent. do companies 450 and the ext. uh, so just like with the money can come from the hub just last week to you. how do we move on from these conferences just being talk fast to actually seeing pledges being fulfilled and countries and back on track to meet in the climate goals. yes, i am the i cannot agree or with the jeep and board, but just a point that i also mentioned that not there is a gap and you know us pulling all the time. and we have to go go funding over the options and have the task like, spend out a couple of options as well. we should also go far more innovative options and as a represented, edited are designed to offer these develop countries. i would also expect big honey calling to me is also among the developing countries to, to show them the leadership. because scientifically, it is possible to achieve net 0 into it to you for a 2nd. you meant with the limited or what should you know, but we need political been, we need the to in

i think to your question, will that, the growth in north america oil and gas production and our international experts have really changed the global supply picture. with the resources that we have in the access to it in both of our countries, we have the potential to offset the supply that our western allies are receiving from opec, russia and other nations. the potential to be a global energy superpower is very, very real today. >> thank you, lisa. john, we paint a great picture. celebrating success in the indigenous resource base, but there are still challenges. can you maybe talk about some of those challenges and what policy tools we are looking to overcome them. maybe just frame out why, where indigenous people fit into the regular process and what may be some of the bottlenecks are and what are some solutions to those bottlenecks. >> absolutely. it is really fascinating right now, you know, being an indigenous person and being involved in this development over the last several years. also being a student of it as well. it is fascinating to see the evolution. sometimes disheartening, sometimes discouraging. being i

change. and that the more than $800.00 new oil and gas projects blend by a shell is contradictory to international climate agreements and its responsibility to not contribute to human rights by the violations. and that's, and then the conclusion. unfortunately, the judge said while cell has the obligation to reduce it, c o 2 emissions, it is unclear specifically what that reduction targets of cell should be. and therefore, the judge decided to not confirm the outcome of the court in the 1st instance. so it was this issue of specific reduction targets that came into play here. what do you think the court's when means for the future? of course, as as an app and you for holding non government climate polluters accountable? yes, of course, this gifts mixed signals that is a clear, purely on the legal side. because the judge ruled that show has the obligation to reduce it c o 2 emissions and they for limit to its contribution to human rights violations. this can be used in court cases in the future. and in that sense, it's a platform full for the climate, the cases, not only in the netherlands, but glo

question, what that demonstrates is that the growth in north america of oil and gas production and our international exports have changed. the resources we have, we have the potential to offset some of the supply the our restaurant -- western allies are receiving. i will say it again, the potential to be a global energy superpower is very real today. >> thanks, lisa. so john, you paint a great picture. there are still challenges. can you maybe talk about some of those challenges and what policy tools we are looking to overcome ? and maybe just frame out why or where indigenous people fit into the regulatory process and what some of the bottlenecks are and some of the solutions to those bottlenecks. >> is fascinating right now, being an indigenous person and being involved in resource to filament over the last 20 something years. and also seeing the evolution. it is sometimes disheartening and sometimes encouraging. it's a roller coaster. my observation, 20-to five years ago, when i started in the industry, there were some actors that were really innovative. there are some who were struggling with what that looked like.