>> oipa, office of information and privacy appeals. >> your memory is better than mine. >> oh, ipa. i'm pretty sure that's what it was. >> okay. >> okay. >> i'm not sure what i just called it, but that's what -- that's what i've got written down which is not necessarily the same, i realize that. had congress not overridden president ford's veto of the -- of the 1974 foia amendments, i certainly wouldn't have had -- the fbi wouldn't have had the thousands of requests it got per year, and the deputy attorney general's, of which oipa was a part of, would not have had the hundreds of administrative appeals it had per year. so i thiank the congress in tha respect for overriding the veto. now dan, on the other hand, came to the department of justice. he had been there. he had served two clerkships before he got there as an attorney. he then served a judicial clerkship with judge oliver gesh, and then he came to the department i believe it was just shortly after i got there, somewhere in that general area. >> '77. >> and dan -- dan worked in the civil division specializing in foia litigati

, office of information and privacy appeals. >> your memory's better than mine. >> oipa? pretty sure that's what it was. >> okay. >> okay. i'm not sure what i just called it, but that's what i got written down, which is not necessarily the same, i realize that. had congress not overridden president ford's veto of the 1974foia amendments, i certainly wouldn't have had the fbi -- the fbi wouldn't have had the thousands requests it get per year and the deputy attorney general's office of which oipa was a part of, would not have had the hundreds of administration appeals it had per year, and so i thank the congress in that respect for overriding the veto. now, dan, on the other hand came to the department of justice serving two courtships before he got there as an attorney. he then served a judicial courtship with judge oliver gash, and then he came to the department, i believe, shortly after i got there, somewhere in that general area. >> [inaudible] >> dan worked in the civil division specializing in foia litigation. now, as he said, in 198 #, -- 1982, the office of informa

so dan suggested oipa handle it all by ourselves.and while we're at it, add two new courses, one for advanced foia personal and another one that dan referenced earlier, the dick and dan show where we would go out and talk about all of the new cases of significance that it come out during the past year. well, this started out with about 200 people, and it grew up to slightly over 600 folks coming to again. now, i was never sure exactly why the popularity grew so much, but i had the feeling it might have been for two reasons. one, it was actually a half-day class and we never publicize it as such, but i thought an awful lot of people took off at, you know, right after we were gone and their agency never knew that it was a half-day program. [inaudible] >> the other reason though, and this is what i think dan has learned this lesson well, if they think that the people came because we gave away free coffee and doughnuts. and i noticed doughnuts heck, you're getting at dishes up there and lunches. you are really working to bring the people