oj simpson as a civil rights victim.t was disgusting, it was appalling. ♪ >> it's easy to be -- you not you got an attractive -- >> rose: part one of the five part documentary series premiers on abc saturday june 11th. the remaining four parts will air on espn beginning june 14th. joining me is the director of the documentary ezra agentsman without a doubt marsha clerk and who served on the 1995 defense team. i'm pleased to have all of them here at this table. welcome and welcome. why does this man and this case resonate? is it because it is a story of what? >> it's a story of everything. it's a story of race, it's a story of masculinity, it's a story of class, it's a story of gender, it's story of select tree and story about the criminal justice system. it's a story of america. >> rose: how did you decide to do this. >> it's a little bit unsatisfying, i was approached by espn who had an idea of doing something bigger and ambitious. it started out as a five hour film and it just grew over the course of a couple years of

i mean, i think oj simpson killed those two people and he got away with it, and that is a real stainhe fx series based on my book did not take an explicit position on the guilt or innocence of o.j. they laud out thed and i think the evidence clearly points only in one direction, but i think ryan murphy and the other filmmakers made a very smart decision not to have an explicit conclusion in the series. they didn't show a re-enactment of o.j. committing the crime. it was much more about how the legal process worked and how -- and explained how the acquittal came about. >> host: from pie too close to call "if the recounts had proceeded they might not have gone al gore's without but tact remons that gore did not do nearly everything he could tohe secure his victory so the nation can never know whether a more determined effort might have succeeded.ic you went on to say that: undern all the standards when the votes were counted the result was the same. gore won. the margins were tiny but under the scenarios from the most liberal know most conservative, gore emerged the victor. >> guest: r

. >> it was a cross between "speed" and the oj simpson chase.ow-speed chase for a long time. everybody was afraid of what might happen. >> there's reason for fear. the man who has commandeered the bus, 42-year-old claims he's armed with a gun and a bomb. >> he had a box he hid in one of the seats. we believed it was some kind of weapon or explosive device on the bus. >> translator: he said that if she didn't continue driving, he would blow up the bus. i started talking to him. i asked him why he was doing that this, that these were special kids. not to hurt them. to not hurt us. >> through the two-way radio, sang tells authorities he's willing to talk. a florida highway patrol trooper risks his life, driving the car alongside the bus and throwing a cell phone in to the open door. >> he facilitated the only mines of communication we had with the hijacker. >> now a police negotiator can communicate with sangh, but it's a futile effort. >> he had him on the phone and he never determined what it was he wanted. >> translator: he said, i have a huge t

stuart: i was driving to san francisco to see oj simpson play football, one of the last games. liz: you heard it on the radio. [laughter] stuart stater charles: i'm charles payne filling in for niel cavuto. right now donald trump behind closed doors in the battle state of wisconsin. he's selling isis strategy to donors but trump critics are calling on extreme vetting on immigrant. but trump foreign policy adviser walid said it's much needed. i'm pretty sure donald trump knew the media would jump all over that extreme vetting. what exactly does it mean and walid, how is it different than what we do already? >> let me begin by asking the question back to secretary clinton, what is bad about detecting a jihadist, now she's using the term jihadist now a days. to be able to detect if the jihadist are in the united states, but the obama administration refuse today consider one element of the vetting. if you say no, you're going to let jihadist come to the united states and assume the responsibility. that's what mr. trump is trying to change. charles: according to white house now the

stuart: i was driving to san francisco to see oj simpson play football, one of the last games.charles: i'm charles payne filling in for niel cavuto. right now donald trump behind closed doors in the battle state of wisconsin. he's selling isis strategy to donors but trump critics are calling on extreme vetting on immigrant. but trump foreign policy adviser walid said it's much needed. i'm pretty sure donald trump knew the media would jump all over that extreme vetting. what exactly does it mean and walid, how is it different than what we do already? >> let me begin by asking the question back to secretary

simpson case. it was a complicated story but why oj killed nicole? husband kill their wives. men kill women.is what happened here. it is not that complicated. look, there i am. >> host: this is from cnn coverage of the verdict and you were in the court room. >> guest: i sure was. there is ron goldman's father in front of me. there i am with no gray hair at all, 32 years old, looking pretty young and even then, i knew that it was an amazing thing to be in the courtroom at that moment. this was like a piece of history that was unfolding. i didn't even though at that red-hot moment about the racially polarized reaction we would soon see which vaulted the story even more into the public conscience. >> host: you say racism in law enforcement has persisted through many decades in american life, black citizens and black jurors have stored too many insults too long, the police in general and the lapd in particular reap what they so. >> guest: that is right. in the immediate aftermath, 20 years later, brad simpson and anita jacobson, we want to make a miniseries with ryan murphy, they made this magni

people sometimes have asked me over the years, do you think oj has admitted to himself that he killed ron goldman and his ex-wife, nicole brown simpsonust lay my cards on the table, i certainly do believe that he did. i think he doesn't really focus on that question in his thoughts. i think he feels like the legal system has been unfair to him. and i and i think like a lot of people have been involved in the criminal justice system, they focus on what they think are the unfairness is of the system and not the underlying conduct that got them into trouble in the first place. that is sort of how i think oj oj thinks about his life right now. >> host: what are the underlying questions for those that follow the case, he had everything going for them. he had celebrity, he had an ex-wife who is beautiful. he had two children. a terrific home. by allas accounts, a pretty successful career both as a football player, commentator, actor, and celebrity. why? so i? spee2 because it it domestic violence is a real thing. c >> guest: it's easy to make complicated arguments about the case. in many respects it was a comp located story. but why oj kil

simpson's rise and fall. times callsles the document "a masterwork of scholarship, journalism, and cinematic art." here is the trailer for "o. j.: made in america,." ♪ >> i told ojare breaking the laws of god. think what you have done, man. if you are a black man in america, you are fighting our war. ♪ reality of black america and white america, two totally separate worlds. oj was colorless. none of the people that we associated with looked at him as a black man. >> he said, if you're going to be a negro in a big city, los angeles is the best place to be. ♪ >> really? o.j. simpson, a civil rights victim? it was disgusting. it was appalling. >> murder! ♪ ♪> you have to have tragedy in your life to write an interesting autobiography. part one of the five-part documentary series per mears on abc -- premieres on saturday june 11 on abc, and the remaining parts will air on espn. joining us is the director of the documentary, ezra edelman, a former prosecutor. as well as marcia clark and carl douglas. i am pleased to have them all at this table. welcome, welcome, and welcome. why does this, this man, this case, resonate? is it because it is a story of -- what? ezra: i

simpson's rise and fall. "los angeles times" calls the documentary "a masterwork of scholarship, journalism, and cinematic art." here is the trailer for "o. j.: made in america." ♪ >> i told oju are breaking the laws of god. one day everybody is going to , know everything you have done, man. ♪ >> if you are a black man in america, you are fighting our war. ♪ >> the reality of black america and white america, two totally separate worlds. ♪ >> for us, oj was colorless. >> none of the people that we associated with looked at him as a black man. >> a civil rights leader in los angeles said, if you're going to be a negro in a big city, los angeles is the best place to be. ♪ >> really? they said i killed this woman. ♪ >> do you love her? ♪ >> really? o.j. simpson, a civil rights victim? it was disgusting. it was appalling. >> you murderer! you ugly-ass murderer! ♪ >> you know, you have to have tragedy in your life to write an interesting autobiography. ♪ [end video clip] charlie: part one of the five-part documentary series premieres on abc on saturday, june 11. the remaining parts will air on espn. beginning june 14. joining us is the director of the documentary, ezra edelman, a