alan lomax: what kind of a place was okemah? how big was it, when you remember it, when you were a kid? woody guthrie: well, in them days, it was a little town, about 1,500, and then 2,000. a few years later, it got up to about 5,000. they struck some pretty rich oil pools all around theregrayson city and slick city and cromwell and seminole and bowlegs and sand springs and springhill. and all up and down the whole country there, they got oil. got some pretty nice old fields 'round okemah there. alan lomax: did any of the oil come in your family? woody guthrie: no, no, we got the grease. amy goodman: woody guthrie being interviewed by alan lomax. we turn now to will kaufman, author of the new book, woody guthrie, american radical. kaufman is a professor of american literature and culture at the university of central lancashire, england. he's also a musician who's he's also a musician who's performed hundreds of musical presentations on woody guthrie. i interviewed will kaufman recently and asked him to talk about woody guthrie's