whether it was a little postcard in a truck stop order judge john nichols or george oki or how many westernsw, have we seen that have these landscapes? >> it has a powerful drive. the official state nickname is land of enchantment. it carries a new age mysticism with it. and it is chloe and warm and fuzzy and obscures reality. ultimately, that is what "desert america" is about. how we imagine the desert or had has been imagined forest by the many desert imagery's that have been created for us. the stage upon which real estate is sold and hotels and staying at hotels and hotel packages and etc. how complicated the actual human geography of the places. there is an imagined place and there is the reality place. and so i will take you to northern new mexico. angela chose northern new mexico. she is from central new mexico, albuquerque. both of our families have issues with addiction. that was another point of encounter between us. she chose northern new mexico not to be right next door to her family, you know. but close enough so that we could visit often. also because it runs along highway 68.

so i took this rope down and said, "y'all go ahead," speaking like an okie. and this father, you know, this african american father, and my father... you know, i can only barely understand now what must have gone on between those two. >> hinojosa: and why does it bring tears to your eyes to talk about this moment, kevin? >> i think because i'm a father now. i think my innocence at the time didn't help me to... i didn't understand what was really going on. i look back now at my own family, caught up in that horror of racism, that terrible burden that we carried, and both... i'm both overjoyed that we put that much of it behind, even though we've got a long way to go, and also just to imagine what that had to feel like for those dads. >> hinojosa: do you... how often do you kind of go back to that ace? because when you talk about the work that you do... i found this really interesting and very sad. because you said all abolitionists, whether they were, you know, frederick douglass, or modern-day abolitionists like you, there is an emotional cost. you talked abo

i'm an okie from oklahoma.think the oklahoma bar association should really investigate an employee sanctioned power to say you know what, judge? we understand your good intentioned. but if the future, you're not going to violate the constitution by this sentence. bracelet, fine, therapy, fine. go back to school. i guess he is a welder. welding school. but don't send people to church unless they choose do so. doinlt think it's the end of it. if the oklahoma bar association is worth anything, it's got to look into this. >> all right. avery, richard, thank you so much. we'll hear from you again in 20 minutes. we have a real pig fight taking place in south florida. and this involves a little boy with down's syndrome. can't wait to hear how you see this case. and homosexual acts are already illegal in one east african nation. now lawmakers in uganda are considering making anti-gay laws tougher and it's trending this hour. [ male announcer ] can a car be built around a state of mind? ♪ announcing the all-new 2013 mal

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radio station, kfvd, out in los angeles, and begins to circulate around the migrant camps, where the okies, as they were pejoratively called, were living in old dwellings of tar, paper and tin and old packing crates and the bodies of abandoned cars, under railroad bridges, by the side of rivers and what have you, and getting their heads broken when they dared to organize into unions. and woody began to witness that and began to write about it. and so, he began to see music as a political weapon then. amy goodman: will kaufman, talk about 1937, the turning point for woody guthrie as he takes on racial issues in this country. will kaufman: yeah, hehe arrived in california, i think, with the influence of having grown up in a state dominated by the klan and growing up in a family that supported the klan. he wasn't all that racially enlightened when he went out to california. there's evidence in the archives that he would, you know, write these mock poems about africansafrican americans are bathing on the beach in santa monica with theyou know, giving off the ethiopian smell and with jungle rhy

for now ty're oki intoit. >> rose: if i said this is a human tragedy, would you all agree. >> i would say this is a profound human tragedy. and i think if you look at in life, if we had rewind and we said gee, you know, would i have send those letters to ms. kelly and if i was ms. kelly and was now under this kind of scrutiny, would i have marched into the fbi and said take care of this person. and if i were general petraeus and if i were, and you see when you start to pull that thread you don't know what's going to unravel. it's lke the thread on the hem of your coat and you say it's bothering me and you yank it off and the whole coat unraffles and there's a pile on the floor. that's what we're seeing and it's destroying over life it seems to touch here. it's sad because we're losing a lot of talent over stuff that just isn't worth it on either end. on what they got out of doing it or what it cost them for reporting it or how it's affecting the people's lives who thought it was going to go one way for them and another way for someone else. it's just too much and too sad. >> rose: i w