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the oklahoma city federal building, the bombing where so many children in that day care center and i stood outside that federal building and watched them search for possible survivors in that building where 160 people had died and here we are, the same city suffering again while they search for this city's children. it's so sad and traumatic. >> i want to remind our viewers we are looking at pictures just coming in. we are seeing the rescue workers. they have got various colored helmets on and different type of outfits and uniforms. i imagine there is heavy and light equipment and everything they can possible use to try to detect whether or not there is life? >> earlier in the evening there was no machinery being used whatsoever. the feeling was that they were hopeful they would find survivors and they wanted to be sure that no one could be hurt by the equipment. they realized that it was unlikely to find survivors. they still have not found any bodies. that's not good or bad news, just a fact. there is just tons of rubble here so they decided to bring machinery and bulldozers and dr
the oklahoma city federal building, the bombing where so many children in that day care center and i stood outside that federal building and watched them search for possible survivors in that building where 160 people had died and here we are, the same city suffering again while they search for this city's children. it's so sad and traumatic. >> i want to remind our viewers we are looking at pictures just coming in. we are seeing the rescue workers. they have got various colored helmets...
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but, i was in oklahoma city after tim mcveigh brought down oklahoma city federal building and watched in awe and just mesmerized by their greatness as they were able to pick themselves up by their boot straps. hug each other and make their way to a new day and they were heart land strong and a beacon for all of america and, frankly, for all of the world in the heels of the devastation they have suffered. today they will be that beacon for us again. first they have to find the missing and bury the death. rick reichmuth is in the area now. rick, what do you know? >> driving north, the tornado in between us and moore about 35 miles between us and there, that is past. the road is cleared. it's very wet but we are on our way in to try to get there and get there and get some information auer out or pictures out as well or additional pictures. you know, a scary thing, there is a number of tornadoes still going on in the area. that's a big concern because it depletes the resources for everyone. even more difficult for people to get in and out. but we right now still have about six or seven to
but, i was in oklahoma city after tim mcveigh brought down oklahoma city federal building and watched in awe and just mesmerized by their greatness as they were able to pick themselves up by their boot straps. hug each other and make their way to a new day and they were heart land strong and a beacon for all of america and, frankly, for all of the world in the heels of the devastation they have suffered. today they will be that beacon for us again. first they have to find the missing and bury...
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one of the things i saw in oklahoma city after the federal building was bombed, we came back strongers a people and we dug in and had the inner courage and strength and actually came back strong. governor, we wish you all of the best. i know the oklahoma spirit will thrive and you will be back stronger than ever. >> oklahoma spirit, we are really proud of it. >> absolutely, thank you, governor. >> thank you, appreciate you. >> and we'll have more from oklahoma. we'll go live to moore for the impact on the plaza tower elementary school. teachers recall the moments, all of that is coming up at 19 minutes past the hour. >> turning to other news now. it is a busy month for the ntsp. they are on the way to rock vow, missouri. early this morning a union pacific train t- bowed another train. fuel leaks caused an engine fire. you are looking at the moment the bridge collapsed on thursday. one possible solution on the books. a tretrabicated man. the trucker described it as exploding when the truck bumped the framework. no one was severely injured. the bridge was inspected six monthsing on. nan
one of the things i saw in oklahoma city after the federal building was bombed, we came back strongers a people and we dug in and had the inner courage and strength and actually came back strong. governor, we wish you all of the best. i know the oklahoma spirit will thrive and you will be back stronger than ever. >> oklahoma spirit, we are really proud of it. >> absolutely, thank you, governor. >> thank you, appreciate you. >> and we'll have more from oklahoma. we'll go...
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i was here when the april 19th bombing hit oklahoma city and destroyed the federal building. this is bigger than anything i've ever seen. it is absolutely huge. it is horrific. it looked like somebody just set off something that just destroyed structures, not blocks but miles. >> that tornado was wind-clocked at more than 200 miles per hour. it didn't just wipe out schools but also hospitals, the community hospital in moore is now leveled among the debris. the oklahoma medical examiner's office says more than 120 people, including 50 children are being treated at other local hospitals. >>> in about 90 minutes from now at 7:00 our time, president obama is scheduled to make i astatement from the white house overnight. he did approve a major disaster organization from oklahoma which opens up federal funding for recovery efforts. >> for more on the oklahoma tornado, including dramatic photos of the rescues, go to nbc bay area.com and stay with "today in the bay" for continuing coverage. we'll have a live report coming up at 6:00. we will hear from a peninsula teenager who was jus
i was here when the april 19th bombing hit oklahoma city and destroyed the federal building. this is bigger than anything i've ever seen. it is absolutely huge. it is horrific. it looked like somebody just set off something that just destroyed structures, not blocks but miles. >> that tornado was wind-clocked at more than 200 miles per hour. it didn't just wipe out schools but also hospitals, the community hospital in moore is now leveled among the debris. the oklahoma medical examiner's...
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plane flying into a building in texas, or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma city -- america has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our time. deranged or alienated individuals -- often u.s. citizens or legal residents -- can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood, and the bombing of the boston marathon. lethal yet less capable al qaeda affiliates. threats to diplomatic facilities and businesses abroad. homegrown extremists. this is the future of terrorism. we must take these threats seriously, and do all that we can to confront them. but as we shape our response, we have to recognize that the scale of this threat closely resembles the types of attacks we faced before 9/11. in the 1980's, we lost americans to terrorism at our embassy in beirut, at our marine barracks in lebanon, on a cruise ship at sea, at a disco in berlin, and on pan am flight 103 over lockerbie. in the 1990s, we lost americans to terrorism at the world trade center,
plane flying into a building in texas, or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma city -- america has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our time. deranged or alienated individuals -- often u.s. citizens or legal residents -- can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood, and the bombing of the boston marathon. lethal yet less capable...
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plane flying into a building in texas or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma city. america has confronted many forms of violent extremist in our system. deranged or alienating individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents can do enormous damage. particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull toward extremism appears to have led to the shooting at ft. hood and the bombing of the boston marathon. that's the current threat. lethal, yet less capable of al qaeda affiliates, threats on diplomatic facilities and businesses abroad, home-grown extremists. this is the future of terrorism. we have to take these threats seriously and do all that we can to confront them. as we shape our response we have to recognize the scale of the threat closely resembles the types of attacks we faced before 9/11. we lost embassies in beirut, at our marine barracks in lebanon, on a cruise ship at sea, at a disco in berlin, and on a pan am flied 103 over lockerbie. in the 1990s we lost to terrorism at the world trade center, in saudi arabia and our embassy in ke
plane flying into a building in texas or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma city. america has confronted many forms of violent extremist in our system. deranged or alienating individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents can do enormous damage. particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull toward extremism appears to have led to the shooting at ft. hood and the bombing of the boston marathon. that's the current threat....
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building in texas or the extremists who killed one hundred sixty eight people at the federal building in oklahoma city america is confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history the range or alienated individuals often u.s. citizens or legal residents can do enormous damage particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad and that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood and the bombing of the boston marathon so that's the current threat. lethal yet less capable al qaeda affiliates threats to diplomatic facilities and businesses abroad home grown extremists this is the future of terrorism. we have to take these threats seriously and do all that we can to confront them but as we shape our response we have to recognize that the scale of this threat closely resembles the types of attacks we faced before nine eleven in the one nine hundred eighty s. we lost americans to terrorism at our embassy in beirut and our marine barracks in lebanon on a cruise ship at sea at a disco in berlin and on a pan am flight flight one hundred three over lockerbie in the
building in texas or the extremists who killed one hundred sixty eight people at the federal building in oklahoma city america is confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history the range or alienated individuals often u.s. citizens or legal residents can do enormous damage particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad and that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood and the bombing of the boston marathon so that's the current threat....
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. >> the last time i came to oklahoma city for an awful, awful story, was 1995, during the oklahoma city bombing of the murrah federal office buildingwere there at the time, too. you were the mayor. >> yes, sir. >> compare and contrast then and now. >> well, the damage is pretty much -- it looks the same. total devastation. it's remarkable that anyone could survive anything like this. especially a major tornado that came through of that magnitude and caused such destruction. it's remarkable that we've had not more loss of life at a time when something's been so widespread. we're devastated by the people that have been lost, the children that have been lost. it's been very hard on this community. but we're also very thankful for the response of our emergency personnel, obviously our fire department and police, they've done a tremendous job. >> was there anything looking back, 50,000, 60,000 people live here in moore, could you have done anything to prevent the destruction, the damage that occurred? you go through a lot of tornadoes here. >> no, sir, i don't think there's anything else that we as a city could have done, or state. unfo
. >> the last time i came to oklahoma city for an awful, awful story, was 1995, during the oklahoma city bombing of the murrah federal office buildingwere there at the time, too. you were the mayor. >> yes, sir. >> compare and contrast then and now. >> well, the damage is pretty much -- it looks the same. total devastation. it's remarkable that anyone could survive anything like this. especially a major tornado that came through of that magnitude and caused such...
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plane flying into a building in texas or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma cityave confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history. deranged or alienated individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents can do enormous damage particularly when inspired about larger notions of jihad. that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood and the bombing of the boston marathon so that's the current threat lethal, less capable al qaeda affiliates. threats to diplomatic facilities and businesses abroad homegrown extremists, this is the future of terrorism we have to take these threats seriously and do all we can to confront them. as would of shape our response, we have to recognize that the scale of the threat closely resembles the types of attacks we faced before 9/11 in the 1980s we lost americans to terrorism at our embassy in beirut, at our marine baraks in lebanon, on a cruise ship at sea at a disco in berlin and on a panam flight 103 over locker lockerbie. in 1990s we lost americans to terrorism at the world trade center, at o
plane flying into a building in texas or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma cityave confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history. deranged or alienated individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents can do enormous damage particularly when inspired about larger notions of jihad. that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood and the bombing of the boston marathon so that's the current threat lethal, less...
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until wisconsin, a plane flying into a building in texas or killing 168 people in a federal building in oklahoma city, american has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history. deranged or alienated individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents, can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull toward extremism appears to have led to the shooting at ft. hood and the bombing of the boston marathon. so that's the current threat. lethal, yet less capable al qaeda affiliates, threats to diplomatic facilities and businesses abroad, homegrown extremis extremists. this is the future of terrorism. we have to take these threats seriously and do all that we can do confront them, but as we shape our response, we have to recognize that the scale of this threat mostly resembles the types of attacks we faced before 9/11. in the 1980s we lost americans to terrorism at our embassy in beir beirut, at our marine barracks in lebanon, at a cruise ship at sea, at a disco in berlin and at a pan am flight, flight 103, ore lockerbie. in the 1990s we lost ame
until wisconsin, a plane flying into a building in texas or killing 168 people in a federal building in oklahoma city, american has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history. deranged or alienated individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents, can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull toward extremism appears to have led to the shooting at ft. hood and the bombing of the boston marathon. so that's the current threat....
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and of course we have a 1995 a 19955 federal bombing building in oklahoma city. we understand that perseverance produces character and hope. there is a lot of reaching out to people in need, that is just the natural response of this community, and we've seen it. we call it the oklahoma standard. it's just, you know, people helping out other people who have needs. and so we've seen that with so many just churches, and individuals doing everything they can to supply waters, sports drinks, diapers, gloves, hats, things that just people need right now to start rebuilding, repairing, going through the process, and, again we are very blessed to be a community of faith and just recontinue to pray for the best. jenna: representative graugh nice speaking with you and we wish the best for you and your family. thank you so much. >> thank you, jenna. jon: those of you on the west coast may just be tuning in to see all of this devastation in america's heartland, terrible tornado. we'll show you a time lapse video of the monster storm that cut through oklahoma spending 40 minu
and of course we have a 1995 a 19955 federal bombing building in oklahoma city. we understand that perseverance produces character and hope. there is a lot of reaching out to people in need, that is just the natural response of this community, and we've seen it. we call it the oklahoma standard. it's just, you know, people helping out other people who have needs. and so we've seen that with so many just churches, and individuals doing everything they can to supply waters, sports drinks,...
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in april 1995, president clinton comforted mourners in oklahoma city after 186 people died in the bombing of the alfred p. murrow federal building. >> we pledge to do all we can to help you heal the injured, to rebuild this city, and to bring to justice those who did this evil. >> ifill: the presidents act as stand-ins for a nation's and distinguish. in january 1986 hours after the destruction of space shuttle challenger, it fell to president reagan to remember the seven astronauts killed that day. >> we will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them: this morning as they prepared for their journey and waved good-bye. and slipped the surly bonds of earth to such the face of god. >> ifill: and five days after president kennedy was assassinated in november 1963, the newly elevated president lyndon johnson went before a shaken congress and country. >> no words are strong enough to express our determination to continue the forward thrust of america that he began. ( applause ) >> ifill: yesterday president obama returned to the task. traveling to moore, oklahoma, where 24 people died a week ago in a massive tornado. >> we know
in april 1995, president clinton comforted mourners in oklahoma city after 186 people died in the bombing of the alfred p. murrow federal building. >> we pledge to do all we can to help you heal the injured, to rebuild this city, and to bring to justice those who did this evil. >> ifill: the presidents act as stand-ins for a nation's and distinguish. in january 1986 hours after the destruction of space shuttle challenger, it fell to president reagan to remember the seven astronauts...
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plane flying into a building in texas, or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma city, america has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history. deranged or alienated individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents, can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. and that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood and the bombing of the boston marathon. so that's the current threat. lethal yet less capable al qaeda affiliates, threats to diplomatic facilities and businesses a abroad, home-grown extremists. this is the future of terrorism. we have to take these threats seriously and do all that we can to confront them. but as we shape our response, we have to recognize that the scale of the threats closely resembles the types of attacks we face before 9/11. in the 1980s we lost americans to terrorism at our embassy in bay route, at our marine barracks in lebanon, on a cruise ship at sea, at a disco in berlin, and on a pan am flight, flight 103 over locker by. in the 1990s we lost americ
plane flying into a building in texas, or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma city, america has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our history. deranged or alienated individuals, often u.s. citizens or legal residents, can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. and that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood and the bombing of the boston marathon. so that's the current...
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federal courthouse building. >> reporter: and a 1995 oklahoma city bombing. okie resilienc resiliency. >> we'll see it come together, and we'll bounce back from this. it's tough. it's tough right now, but sun's going to shine soon. >> reporter: a feeling shared by superstars and anonymous victims alike. >> we've done it once already. we can do it again. oklahomans are strong. >> yeah. >> reporter: a pride that a member of oklahoma's new generation put to music. ♪ can you hear this strong the oklahoma strong ♪ >> reporter: mike becher, abc news, moore, oklahoma. >> they will be okay. >>> a freak storm provided some washington state students with a rare snow day in may, up to a foot of snow fell in biggleton. it was wet and heavy enough to bring down power and phone lines. the good or the bad news, depending on how you look at it, is that the utilitalmost fully restored, and classes will take place today. >> that's just wrong. a snow day in may? >> then you've got to go to school anyway. that makes it even worse. >> more snow likely again today in the mountain
federal courthouse building. >> reporter: and a 1995 oklahoma city bombing. okie resilienc resiliency. >> we'll see it come together, and we'll bounce back from this. it's tough. it's tough right now, but sun's going to shine soon. >> reporter: a feeling shared by superstars and anonymous victims alike. >> we've done it once already. we can do it again. oklahomans are strong. >> yeah. >> reporter: a pride that a member of oklahoma's new generation put to...
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plane flying into a building in texas; or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma cityamerica has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our time. deranged or alienated individuals ? often u.s. citizens or legal residents ? can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood, and the bombing of the boston marathon. lethal yet less capable al qaeda affiliates. threats to diplomatic facilities and businesses abroad. homegrown extremists. this is the future of terrorism. we must take these threats seriously, and do all that we can to confront them. but as we shape our response, we have to recognize that the scale of this threat closely resembles the types of attacks we faced before 9/11. in the 1980s, we lost americans to terrorism at our embassy in beirut, at our marine barracks in lebanon, on a cruise ship at sea, at a disco in berlin; and on pan am flight 103 over lockerbie. in the 1990s, we lost americans to terrorism at the world trade center; at our
plane flying into a building in texas; or the extremists who killed 168 people at the federal building in oklahoma cityamerica has confronted many forms of violent extremism in our time. deranged or alienated individuals ? often u.s. citizens or legal residents ? can do enormous damage, particularly when inspired by larger notions of violent jihad. that pull towards extremism appears to have led to the shooting at fort hood, and the bombing of the boston marathon. lethal yet less capable al...
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was the worst tragedy since the oklahoma city bombing in 1985, 168 par rished and we had all of the children in the day care in the bottom level of the federal building. at this hour we have 51 confirmed deaths, 20 of those are children. i was hearing this number, 230 right now. and many of those injuries are from debris flying through the air. we know that six medical centers have been treating patients. earlier ou medical certain was under a code yoel low because of the high number of fatalities. but what really sticks out about this tornado is the extent of the injuries to the children. this tornado hit early afternoon, may 3rd, 1999 which was the worst tornado we've ever experienced, one of the worst ever experience on the planet. but the difference there was that that was in the evening hours when family wrs at home, they were glued to their television monitors. this wasn't the case. you had children at schools. you know we've been focusing our efforts on several elementary schools, specifically the plaza towers where 75 students and faculty too long shelter. that school was level as we're seeing with so many other schools and homes. we have con
was the worst tragedy since the oklahoma city bombing in 1985, 168 par rished and we had all of the children in the day care in the bottom level of the federal building. at this hour we have 51 confirmed deaths, 20 of those are children. i was hearing this number, 230 right now. and many of those injuries are from debris flying through the air. we know that six medical centers have been treating patients. earlier ou medical certain was under a code yoel low because of the high number of...
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gives us a brief description of the transition of an empty building to a joint field office for state, fema and other federal agencies in oklahoma city will be used as an administrative center to process the disaster relief claims for people affect bid monday's tornado. more than 3,000 people have registered claims so far with fema. >> what we're setting up here in oklahoma city is what we call a joint field office. and by joint field office, that means that fema, the state of oklahoma, and other federal agencies in partnership set up an office in a disaster area that serves as an administrative office for that disaster. we started a couple of days ago working on this empty building as part of the process we come in, we clean it. maybe put up some sheetrock, dry wall, we run communication lines, check out the air conditioning and that sort of thing and work out the workspace where the people are going to come and work. it's not a place for people to come to register for assistance. this is where the assistance gets the processing. where the survivors register for assistance in fema, their application is processed here in the joint fi
gives us a brief description of the transition of an empty building to a joint field office for state, fema and other federal agencies in oklahoma city will be used as an administrative center to process the disaster relief claims for people affect bid monday's tornado. more than 3,000 people have registered claims so far with fema. >> what we're setting up here in oklahoma city is what we call a joint field office. and by joint field office, that means that fema, the state of oklahoma,...
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been more and more state and federal money for people that want to start a transition into building them in schools. and certainly we have built new schools in oklahoma citynd safe rooms into that new construction. but still, you're left with if dozens if not hundreds of schools that have older construction and it's not as easy to come in afterwards and put a safe room into a school that's not being built from scratch. >> one thing, in the last hour, my colleague, chris jansing had an opportunity to tour what one of those shelters looks like across the way where a man and his family survived. they were able to let in their neighbors at the last minute. they survived, as well. and, cheryl johnson who we just spoke to about briarwood, elementary, she says it's an old school. it's it helped them survive the storm. there's a catch-22 about the situational aspects of the storm and the way it approaches because so many people have said because you're underground from an ef-5 doesn't mean that you will survive. it's the best to get out of the way. >> but keep in mind a couple of things. first, ef-5s are extremely rare, our city's 130 years old, this is the secon
been more and more state and federal money for people that want to start a transition into building them in schools. and certainly we have built new schools in oklahoma citynd safe rooms into that new construction. but still, you're left with if dozens if not hundreds of schools that have older construction and it's not as easy to come in afterwards and put a safe room into a school that's not being built from scratch. >> one thing, in the last hour, my colleague, chris jansing had an...
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fema a vague description of the transition of an empty building to a joint field office for state, fema and other fee federal agencies in oklahoma city. this will be used as an administrative center to process disaster relief claims for people affected by monday's tornado. officials say more than 3,000 people have registered claims so far with fema. >> we started a couple days ago working on the empty building as part of the process we have come in and have set up some sheet rock drywall, check out the air conditioning and worked out the space for people to come and work. it's not a place for people to come to register the process. >> their application is processed in the joint field office and that is part of the operation. another part of the operation is we have had mitigation people here. it eliminates the effect of disaster and future disaster. normally we are here until we no longer need. i have a very good a joint field officers. i've known of others like that for hurricanes or earthquakes, to come three, four years. by that time the transition as long term. i want you to take good care of all of the furniture and ornaments in
fema a vague description of the transition of an empty building to a joint field office for state, fema and other fee federal agencies in oklahoma city. this will be used as an administrative center to process disaster relief claims for people affected by monday's tornado. officials say more than 3,000 people have registered claims so far with fema. >> we started a couple days ago working on the empty building as part of the process we have come in and have set up some sheet rock drywall,...
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buildings. >> just about 90 minutes, president obama will land in oklahoma city. mr. obama wants to make sure the victims will receive the federalssistance they are looking for. >> live for us in moore, oklahoma as the community there tries to move forward. casey? > >> reporter: mike, good morning to you. president obama touches down at tinker air force base and then it will be a quarter after 12 when he gets here to moore. he will be meeting with some storm survivors and getting an up close and personal look at the damage. and the damage is not hard to find. when you come here into moore, oklahoma. and 10 miles or so south of oklahoma city. >> neighborhood after neighborhood. and basically erased and blown into millions of pieces when the powerful ef-5 tornado went through at 3:00 in the afternoon. >> now, we are a week away and still, it is utter devastation where you look. they have been able to make some kind of progress. >> trying to restore power as quickly as they can. >> we have seen out i willity poles going up and -- utility poles going up and you are see seeing aerial pictures, and they have to be bull dozed. >> that
buildings. >> just about 90 minutes, president obama will land in oklahoma city. mr. obama wants to make sure the victims will receive the federalssistance they are looking for. >> live for us in moore, oklahoma as the community there tries to move forward. casey? > >> reporter: mike, good morning to you. president obama touches down at tinker air force base and then it will be a quarter after 12 when he gets here to moore. he will be meeting with some storm survivors and...