oklahoma city without, stadium renovation. the supersonics became the oklahoma city thrurnd. thunder. was the mayor right? >> we have to give credit to the mayor here. the mayor explicitly said he didn't think it was going to make the city of oklahoma city richer, wasn't going to make the average person have a lot more money in their pocket but it was going to be a fun place for people to spend that money in their pocket and to have a nice amenity for the city. i don't think any economist would argue that pro sports make life a lot more livable. they're a great amenity for the city they're fun but they certainly don't make people rich. >> part of your argument -- i'm a big infrastructure guy -- part of your argument is, the city could spend money on infrastructure or on other things the city doesn't spend funds on. >> what is the role of your government? is it basically to build a factory? because that's what an arena is, to build a factory for billionaire owners and millionaire players or general types of infrastructure to benefit the society as a whole? here in boston about 20 years ago bob kraft, the ow