the second i would say is about olc. so steve rightly points out how important olc is and that it is the keeper of presidential authorities and advises presidents on what their authorities are. there is a danger in having that relationship be so tight that other voices aren't heard. and the example would be john's opinion on torture where his boss, the assistant attorney general, didn't know about the opinion when it was given to the white house. i had a rule that all significant olc opinions are to come to the deputy's table for plenary discussion with the solicitor general so that it could get a real airing. and not to say -- i don't think we ended up overruling olc but sometimes there were considerationed that were brought to bear that affected how olc proceeded. so i think that if your talking about the relationship between the justice department and the white house, you really do need to pay special attention to the role of the office of legal council because it is the keeper of the flame of presidential authority.

the guy questioned him, jack goldsmith was the head of olc, and goldsmith got pushed out for doing thathe fog of law refers to surveillance. he refers to how we treat to detainees, and it also concerns what we do about guantÁnamo. get my we refer to it often. and you described in the book some of the legal issues with respect to how we treat detainees. and how we adjudicate whether they have actually committed the acts or was there being detained. but closing gitmo it turns out, once you started putting people there it's very difficult. maybe let me ask you this question, there are still inmates being held at gitmo. what would you advise president biden to do about that? >> again one of my mistakes which i describe the book is to going the first simile hastily set it up. we did not have actual prison facilities are built. so what do we do? basically chicken wire to create different cells. just imagine these guys taking off the battlefield or in other places wearing orange jumpsuits and these chicken wires some call them cages. by the way the whole prison system of communicating worked o

>> the olc opinion, the office of legal counsel says we cannot indict a sitting president. >> could you charge the president with a crime after he left office? >> yes. >> you believe that he committed -- you could charge the president of the united states with obstruction of justice after he left office? >> yes. >> yes. you could charge the president of the united states with obstruction of justice after he left office? yes, yes, yes. that's the whole point. now he left office. the main witness for the ten plus instances of alleged obstruction of justice in that report, that witness has just testified to congress about what he saw and what the president tried to get him to do, confirming the allegations at their core. now the president could be -- the former president could be prosecuted for those alleged instances of obstruction of justice. any takers? think there's any appetite for that in the u.s. justice department und the judiciary committee has the option, if they want, to make a formal referral to the justice department for potential prosecution of crimes they have become aware o

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it's where the kids from the olc showed us all where temperature cool really was. >> around here, you get the sense that everyone is rich, white, and lives in a mansion with a view of the pacific. >> but step back from the coast, and you will see the orange county that isn't on tv. not as wealthy, not as white, and full of those who came here from somewhere else. chasing a better life, and finding it in places like santa anna, a mostly working place it immigrant place in the shadow of disneyland. it's the part of the ioc where people know that to survive, they will have to work hard. >> maribel ramos arrived here as a baby. leaving mexico behind. she would not only survive here, but thrive. >> to tell you the truth, this should be the story of a woman who worked hard to change her life. and in doing so, carved the path for others to follow. >> hello? >> but this story is going to end differently. >> why are you crying? >> i am afraid. >> there are some parts of life, that hard work just can't fix. >> i am scared. >> i am just like calling to let you guys know that if something, happen

a weakness of the cull which you shall and i think that in the two cases the refusal to release the olcng in the carol lawsuit, i do think you have seen them side too much on the traditional doj kind of reliance on secrecy in the memo case and protecting the presidency at auld other costs or the president in this case, not really the presidency. the former president. in contradiction to what i think ought to be first principles and in that case to be no person above the law and the president of the united states. >> let me play attorney general garland in his own words on the topics today. >> our job is to represent the american people. and our job in doing so is to ensure adherence to the rule of law. it is not always easy to apply that rule. sometimes it means that we have to make a decision about the law that we would never have made and that we strongly disagree with. as a matter of policy. but in every case the job of the justice department is to make the best judgment it can as to what the law requires. >> matt, i want to come to you as a communicator. do you think this justice de

. >> how could you not have made the calculation with the regulations -- >> the olc opinion, office of is not there. >> could you charge the president with a crime after he left office? >> yes. >> you believe that he committed -- you could charge the president of the united states with obstruction of justice after he left office? >> yes. >> it's remarkable. yes. but just revisiting that exchange and the aftermath of yesterday's testimony or yesterday's transcript release of don mcgahn's testimony before congress, because that transcript makes it abundantly clear. any honest conversation surrounding donald trump's conduct in office centers not on whether you think he criminally obstructed justice but whether you care that he absolutely, positively did. so, given what robert mueller said there, what now? is it time to prosecute him? he's out of office. mueller said yes. it's a question at the center of a really provocative and important new series in the "boston globe," one that asks that proofing, the american presidency, the office, in trump's wake. from that editorial, quote, trump's