earlier we spoke with that chairman, ole andersen.uire there were some alarms, unfortunately not acted upon but there were alarms. there has been some alarms during the way, more serious completely and it is -- it is difficult to understand that this has been able to be ongoing for such a long printer of time without anyone bringing it to the attention of senior management or the board. always 2020ight is but you have a major bank reading alarms about money laundering and no action taken? how can that be? alix: and the chairman saying we had no idea. ofyou didn't have an idea this, what else don't you have an idea in your company? david: what reforms do you have to make beyond replacing the ceo pay view think systems failures. au don't want to draw parallel, but wells fargo, they did not protect themselves or shareholders. ofx: they don't have a sense what the fines could be, or they are not telling us. david: it takes a lot of time and money just to find out the facts. like we could finally get a bidder for sky. they will have a trun