because we are talking about what is happening in izyum about the finding of these mass graves oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union of human affairs congratulations mr. oleksandr congratulations congratulations well, first of all, let's talk about what is happening with this mass burial, how did it turn out that people died in such a large number? is this a mass execution? is it just a burial of people who died at different times? it is very important to try to understand everything now. yes, we do not have complete information yet, but uh, from those reports that were earlier, it seems that it is still uh, the burial of different people. in different periods and actually , there are quite a lot of burial places. there are about 10 burial places, they are located in different locations , and even when we talk about who is buried, there are like civilians, civilians, those with signs of torture, civilians which have signs on well, as it was stated that 99% have signs of violent death, that is, they died not er but in their own natural way no no not natural death i

for example, with their blessing , supported the killing of ukrainians, joins our broadcast oleksandr pavlichenkocutive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, mr. oleksandr, we welcome you. good day, mr. oleksandr, thank you for your wish. please explain such moments when we talk about what ukraine should do. yes, first of all, she has, as she said, we will be directly and ukraine declared the tribunal should be built on the basis of the rome statute, but ukraine signed it, did not ratify it, we talk about it so much , and the question actually arises. how much time does ukraine itself need for this now, and without it a tribunal may take place, oleg, they raised a very valid question, which today simply needs an urgent solution, and what ukraine is currently talking about is the declared demand for the creation of this international thermodal, which will be built and function on the basis of the rome statute, at the same time that ukraine itself, having signed this rome statute, does not ratify it , first postponing the ratification for three years, then canceling the idea of

nuremberg trials, because the tribunal for putin, uh, this is a completely conceivable prospect oleksandr pavlichenko, executive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights, contact us, oleksandr, i wish you a good evening and a safe evening i wish thank you very much, well it is important to understand that it is possible and i am too optimistic when i talk about the soon tribunal for putin, but what we have to do now is to record and document those crimes against e rights violation of human rights committed by the russians on our territory and outside our country, because a large number of ukrainians were practically deported to the russian federation , including it is the violations of human rights that are recorded most by the russians, please. well, i can say that there are several systems that register these crimes. first, it is at the state level. in the program, we know that there is an office of the general the prosecutor who invites her to turn in information about the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity. and also what is called treason, that is, according to

process because the tribunal for putin is this is an absolutely understandable perspective oleksandr pavlichenkotive director of the ukrainian helsinki union for human rights contact us p oleksandr i greet you good evening and a safe evening i wish you all thank you very much, well it is important to understand what is possible and i am too optimistic when i say when i am talking about a tribunal for putin soon, but what we have to do now is to record and document those crimes against e human rights, violations of human rights committed by russians on our territory outside our country because a large number of ukrainians were practically deported to the russian federation, including