talk about how to bring the russian federation to justice and refute its fakes, contact us oleksandra romantsova , executive director of the center for civil liberties greetings ms. oleksandra good morning and vitaliy tetych, human rights defender, managing partner of the bar association mr. vitaliy, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine , mr. vitaliy, we understand that russia does not comply with the geneva convention. yes, i think that there are not isolated cases, but the key question is what tools are left to force them to adhere to what they once signed and, in general, is there a similar path in the future, and vitaly, well, here is the main problem with the so-called international law, as it is often called, lawyers are confused real law is real, the difference lies precisely in the fact that in international law there is an instrument or, let's say, an institution that monitors and punishes non-observance of the norms adopted in contrast let's say that in classical law, where the state is some kind of its institutions can monitor compliance with its own laws and, accordingly, bring this

such international organizations, and some kind of their transformation, we will talk with oleksandra romantsovander the executive director of the center for civil liberties and oleksandro. congratulations, can you hear me well? i hear well. glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes, glory to mrs. oleksandr. well, please tell me what you think, because there is a lot of criticism of the ukrainian office, they say that if they are real human rights defenders, they must have character and they must defend our point of view and the fact that they didn't do anything about uh well , in order to defend our position in order to prevent the release of such a report, they say that they are to blame and that they should either be dismissed for this and in general they have now completely ruined their image, and so on. and so on. from your point of view, could they have done anything? what exactly should they have done? well, first of all, i'm sorry, i'll correct you a little. the report was published on july 13, and if you look at it, it is a good, balanced report on the situation in kharkiv, and where is 75%

is always correct, this is always subjectivity, which we so strive for, thank you very much oleksandra romantsova was with us directly communication, executive director of the center for civil liberties, i apologize, now let's move on to our second topic, no less. it seems hot to me, because you remember at least at the beginning. well, somewhere in march, let the terrible thing begin. in particular and women with children who went abroad, and people who stayed here in ukraine, especially in such hot spots, began to accuse them of saying that how was it that you were able to leave ukraine, how was it that you were able to leave there, for example, from kyiv, you should have stayed here now, you are you sitting somewhere in germany or france posting pictures when you are sitting in various cafes, you know absolutely cynical scumbags, it seems that we have already outgrown this discussion and everyone's point of view has been heard that it is absolutely normal that some people leave or others do not leave. everyone has their own position, so that we all do everything independently to help the armed