research center maksym gardus expert office in reforms the cabinet of ministers of ukraine and oleksiy pasyuk , an expert on environmental and energy issues, oleksandr, via skype, a little earlier in the conversation, you said that it is important to take into account the fact that we have losses in industry, so we can save somewhere, as well as in manpower, and that is, the possible passage of m what is the outcome of this autumn-winter period under all scenarios, provided that people do not start returning en masse? and you know, this is the story here, let's try to paint a picture in general, and in the front-line areas, people there is no going back, everything has to be done by the government, everything has to be done by the military, civil administrations on the ground, so that people go to nearby places where the combatants go and do not return. unfortunately, there is a real risk that it will be destroyed at any moment, just in one day , the parquet floor that destroys... local thermal power plant and what will we do? i will remind you that ukraine, unfortunately, has experience of s

elena good morning congratulations to you and oleksiy pasyuk, deputy e-e director of e-e geodia ecodiae all congratulate you the shutdown of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant does not reduce the potential nuclear threat, according to the minister of energy herman galushchenko, even when the plant is not there is nuclear material working on it and this creates a nuclear hazard, says galushchenko, zaporizhzhia npp is the largest in europe, and representatives of megate should be there now. give us your assessment of the current situation in turn mrs. olena, let's start with you, eh, the fact that the mgt mission arrived at the zaporozhye station, the fact that they saw everything they wanted to see there, eh, is definitely very gratifying, eh, it would be a little childish to hope that the mission would come and the demilitarized zone will say today, and the russians immediately left, this is the first step in such a rather long path, the return of ukraine, the return of the zaporizhia npp to ukrainian tenets, and p. oleksiy , your assessment is of course the fact is that the fact of

thank you oleksiy pasyuk , deputy director of the public organization ecodia , or with us, and olenaeniuk commented on the topic of the nuclear power plant, senior naukova an employee of the institute of safety problems of nuclear power plants, nan ukraine, and we will continue the topic of the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant and offer to watch a story prepared by our colleagues, the city of energodar, where the zaporizhzhia npp is located, the largest in europe, was captured by the russians at the beginning of march, during the assault, the racists fired several times at the nuclear plant; put out fires, since then the russians staged real terror at the station, they interrogate and torture employees, at least one person was killed the russian army placed fire positions on the air base as a result of russian shelling. on august 25, for the first time in the history of the station, there was a complete disconnection from the power grid. it was only possible to connect the power units . the next day, however, the fields are threatened with a large-scale disaster that can be compared

center maksima gordus expert office in the reforms of the cabinet of ministers of ukraine and oleksiy pasyuk by skype specialist in environmental and energy issues oleksandr you said a little earlier in the course of the conversation that it is important to take into account the fact that we have losses in industry, so we can save somewhere and also in manpower, yes, that is, a soft passage is possible for everyone scenarios for this autumn-winter period, provided that people do not start returning en masse, this is the story, let's try to paint a picture in general, and there is no way for people to return to the front-line areas, so everything must be done by the government, everything must be done by the military, civil administrations on the ground so that people go where there are hostilities nearby, they did not return. unfortunately, there is a real risk that it will be destroyed at any moment, just in one day , the parquet hall, which destroys the local thermal power plant. and what are we going to do? i would like to remind you that ukraine, unfortunately, has experience of such a s