in berlin is olena prokopenko, the cochair for the trans-atlantic taskforce on ukraine and former ukrainianance ministry. and pieter cleppe, and daniella irerra. a warm welcome to you all and thank you for joining us today. if a decision is made to open negotiations for ukraine to join the eu how politically fraught will that process be? daniella: the process could be very relevant for political implications. there is the procedural consideration to be made because it is not so easy for a country to be part of the european union. there are a bunch of formal procedures to take into account. at the same time, there are political considerations because it is all is try to expand its borders for strengthening security and building peaceful neighbors. it would be a complicated process which would require a big consensus from all member states and this is the most problematic thing. mohammed: ukraine got eu candidate status in 2022, that is a process that has taken longer for other countries. ukraine jumped the line. i want to ask you if that is fair, and a from your vantage point, could we see a