so hakone estate and gardens was actually started in 1915 when oliver and isabel stine visited the 1915 panama pacific exposition in san francisco. they visited the japanese pavilion, fell in love with japan, and decided they wanted to build their own japanese garden here in the bay area. so they being residents of san francisco came down to saratoga, purchased 8 acres of garden and they designed their own garden by going back to japan, touring all the various gardens, coming back, hiring a japanese landscape architect and building architect, and created their own japanese estate and garden. and it's a traditional hill-and-pond style garden, and they named it hakone because mrs. stine visited fuji-hakone national park and loved that garden so much that she wanted to have her own hakone here in saratoga. robert: right, and the landscapers are as much of a hero as some of the other people here too in terms of authenticity, huh? shozo: it is. you know, it's a very skilled job to have. and so that's one of the reasons why the city of saratoga when they purchase it in 1966, they were managin