oliver mcternan, thank you for - immediate cease-fire. oliver. mcternan, thank you for coming in the programme. one extra line coming in and just the last 15 minutes or so. the united states has been working in earnest with councilmembers all over the last several weeks on a resolution that would unequivocally support ongoing diplomatic efforts aimed at securing an immediate cease—fire in gaza as part of a hostage deal. so this is a us— un draught vote. friday morning is the latest time and we are getting on that. that is need of toffee, our correspondent there in the us. a us draught vote for friday. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. eu leaders have been meeting in brussels today, to discuss plans to get more weapons to ukrainian forces, while also re—arming their own countries in the face of an emboldened vladimir putin in russia. before the summit, the eu council president charles michel said that europeans "face a pivotal moment". ukraine's president zelensky told eu leaders via video link that it's crucial to send more amm

back with us tonight is oliver mcternan, director of forward thinking.e negotiation for over 20 years. he's just back from dozens of meetings in the israeli parliament the knesset, he's been to the west bank, to jordan. he really does have his finger on the pulse of what is happening at the pulse of what is happening at the moment and in light of what was just reported there, the difficulty getting in and use tonight that seven hostages have been killed in the israeli bombardment, what did you ascertain from the israelis. regrettably but understandably i think is real and in particular in the political leadership is in a very traumatised situation. so the feeling that i got right across the party divides was the need to finish the job party divides was the need to finish thejob going to rafah and party divides was the need to finish the job going to rafah and then party divides was the need to finish thejob going to rafah and then move north and allow the displaced people up north and allow the displaced people up in the north to return to their homes an

oliver mcternan is a former hostage negotiator who's in touch with people close to the talks on all sidesferent to what's being said officially. what i heard most recently is that the unofficial response from the israelis was to reject outright the demands that hamas had put on the table, and as you may recall, lewis, those were the new modified demands were to have a three stage process. the first six weeks, you would have 35 hostages exchanged for 350 palestinian detainees, then five women soldiers for 250 long—term prisoners and then reaching a permanent cease—fire and the exchange of more hostages and that they lead into the exchange of bodies and the lifting of the siege of gaza. what's hamas, i'm told, said it was all or none, the unofficial response as i said, is what i hear, a rejection of that. can ijump in there, all or none, what do you mean by that? in the sense that it wasn't going to be a stage one, where you have 35 isreali hostages exchanged for 300 and then stopped, and they go back to war. they were saying it was a process that should lead to a permanent cease—fire and t