host: what was oliver wendall holmes like? guest: he liked people and liked to talk about philosophy and ideas. i think -- they were attracted to holmes, some of them political and some of them legal but his personality. holmes had this twinkle in his blue eyes and connected with the younger generation. st: i want to put up a stone mountain carving, what was it and what happened to this? carve orglum begins to these confederate leaders including davis and jackson into the side of stone mountain georgia and he also joins the ku klux clan. and he had a falling out with them and gets fired. and he has to flee for destroying his model and runs for his life through the hills of georgia into north carolina. host: how far did he get on the side of the mountain? guest: he find issued two figures. host: what's the relationship with bordemrum. were they involved in mount rushmore? became a glum political animal. some would say his politics were more instrumental, that he was interested in people funding his big projects. but i don't thin

harvard law school, clerk to al oliver wendall holmes, social friends of franklin and eleanor roosevelt, groomed to be a future cabinet member or head oh the u.n. algier hiss was accused oft having been a spy for the soviet union and hi accuser was whittaker chambers, and chambers was a former communist, hiss' go-to guy for the communist party and eventually leaves the party. well, buckley comes to the conclusion that we need sterner stuff. they're getting to the prime of our youth. they've singled out the kind ofr kids that would good to yale in 1948 for this kind of activity. so a lot of this going on. even though then i would say the student body at yale more hoe -- all white, all male, not what you into now there or here. the breakdown of the campus in '46, 60% for dewey, 40% for truman. so, i don't you look at any campus since then, republicans have out inas well. on the faculty it was a fight o between harry truman and not tom dewey. harry truman and harry wallace. >> host: my students don't mow who hari -- harry wallace is. >> think bernie sanders and you got it. >> guest: wallac