of these excellent candidates in addition to myself and commissioner olivieri, we wanted to highlight george chewning, 17 martin-pinto as stand outs on the application today. >> supervisor ronen: i'm wondering since you served already one term on the commission, what are the avenues? i've been here for a while. i had a ton of opportunity to work directly with the veteran commission. when you have policy suggestions, how have you worked with members of the board of supervisors or the mayor's office to enact those policies? >> it's interesting. i done some lobbying around veteran issues d.c. before i came to san francisco. one of the things i like about the commission, you all know, there are lots of lobbyist for corporations and people who stand to make money. there are very rarely lobbyist for good policy. when you find those people they are kind of great. usually nonprofits. what i found is where we've been most effective is those and the commissioners who have personal relationship with supervisors and their staff and mayoral staff and you can say hey, here the thing we see. it migh