-- or ball flight in -- v olkswagon? >> i don't want to talk about the financial side.looking at the broader self driving car industry, how do you see if it evolving? do you see any winners? >> i think there will be a handful of winners at the end of the day. at some point it will be good enough. at that point, partners will want to use it. we'll see improvement to the i city around us. at that point, the company that will bring the technology to scale will see the benefits. it will be an important technology for each of the major players to have a stake in. emily: will apple have a stake in this market? >> i would not count them out. they are an incredible company. the tech companies have great capability and the auto guys do too. emily: one of auroras stated values is no jerks. >> we do not have time for interpersonal garbage. we wanted to be about how do we solve the problem. rly oreating people poo over inflating egos. emily? competitionis the for self driving cars -- how the competition for people to work on self-driving car's? greatgive them a environment to work