let's go back to ollie oglethorpe and his brother bobby joe oglethorpe. in their e-mail train of criminal activity, if you wait six months, the government can seize without warrant all of their e-mails. not just between each other and their criminal enterprise but to whoever they were sending e-mails to, or communicating with back and forth. that third party, innocent party, let's assume, certainly doesn't know about that. my personal opinion, that's a violation of the fourth amendment right to be secure in your persons and your papers and your effects under the fourth amendment to the constitution. so what does this do, it basically applies the changes in all the legislation, applies the fourth amendment standard to e-mails. there's a lot of reasons why that should happen. first, it puts people on notice as to what the rules are going to be. not wait for the supreme court or other courts to make maybe different opinions down the road as to whether it's lawful or unlawful now. put them on notice. congress has that responsibility to do so. but also, we hav

lets go back to ollie oglethorpe and his brother bobby joe oglethorpe. in their e-mail train of criminal activity, if you wait six months, the government can seize without warrant all of their e-mails. not just between each other and their criminal enterprise but whoever they were sending e-mails to or communicating with back and forth. that third party, innocent party, lets assume, certainly doesn't know about that. my personal opinion, that's a violation of the fourth amendment right to be secure in your persons and your papers and your effects under the fourth amendment to the constitution. so what, it basically applies to the changes in all the legislation applies to the fourth amendment standard to e-mails. there's a lot of reasons why that should happen. first, it puts people on notice as to what the rules are going to be. not wait for the supreme court or other courts to make maybe different opinions down the road whether it's lawful or unlawful now. among notice, congress has the responsibility to do so. also we have a disadvantage -- i say we. a

so if law enforcement decided, okay, we're going to go get ollie oglethorpe and bobby joe oglethorpe. we know they're in washington. they would go to a judge, they would say we know they're in washington, we know they're in zip co20003. but that's all we know. we would like a warrant to go into all of the places in zip code 20003 and find bobby joe oglethorpe and his brother ollie, and most importantly get the loot. there is not a judge that would sign the warrant to allow law enforcement to go into every building and residence. we all know that's absurd. there is no way that would occur, because the residence or the place in the warrant is not specific enough to go to that location and find the oglethorpes and/or the money. that would be a general warrant. that would be warrants that maybe the british would have imposed back in colonial days, because the fourth amendment prohibits that type of conduct. however, let's assume that the oglethorpes have spent some time on the internet discussing this criminal activity. discussing where they're going to hide, where they hid the money, and

so if law enforcement decided, okay, we're going to go get ollie oglethorpe and bobby jo oglethorpe, we know they're in washington, they would go to a judge, they would say to a judge we know they're in washington. they would say we know they're in zip code 20003, but that's really all we know. we would like a warrant to go into all of the places in zip code 20003 and find bobby joe oglethorpe and his brother, ollie, and most importantly, get the loot. there is not a judge that would sign the warrant to allow law enforcement to go into every building and residence. we all though that's absurd. there is no way that would occur. because the residence or the place in the warrant is not specific enough to go to that location and find the oglethorpes and/or the money. that would be a general warrant. that would be warrants that maybe the british would have imposed back in colonial days. because the fourth amendment prohibits that type of conduct. however, let's assume that the oglethorpes have spent some time on the internet discussing this criminal activity, discussing where they're goin

it may help bobby oglethorpe and ollie oglethorpe but it doesn't help the innocent person whose information is seized and still stored by government. good point. we need to add that into legislation before it gets out of our committee. one more question? or are we done? >> one more quick one. and then we'll move on. >> quick question. >> you have social media and things like secure portals that companies use to exchange information with each other and things like that that are all out in the cloud so what's your next step once you get the e-mail protected? >> we have to address all of those issues as well. right now we want to solve the e-mail issue with epka. i think for passage we ought to deal specifically with e-mails so we can get something and amend it as we progress through technology, keeping its mind, the spirit of the fourth amendment as well. thank you very much for your attention. i appreciate it. thank you. >> i'll invite our panel members to join me here on stage, as formidable panel as one could ask for an event like this. joining me, we have -- if you're here, greg new james