it's an olympus stylus, and it has a fixed-focus lens. it does not have a telephoto, so when you go in, don't get the telephoto.' it won't cost any more. it's just a gadget, but it will slow you down. and you're not going off using a camera like this to photograph giraffes in africa. so if you want to get closer to your subject, that's why you have these things called legs. move in. it actually will make it more of a give-and-take, an intimate relationship, anyway. you shouldn't be so far away from somebody and be grabbing their picture to begin with. you know, if you're going to take their picture, take a good picture. c-span: do you talk to your subjects while you're doing it? >> guest: oh, yes, i do. oh, i was just going to say about the color picture, i think it takes as good pictures as my leica or my nikon. it's not the camera that takes the pictures. so a picture i took in color recently with this is now on the back of saul bellow's new novella. so a lot of the pictures i'm taking with this small camera are published. they're--and