that is going to come from the about the om li bottom line of the company.t's problematic just of itself. and secondly, they don't have a justification for the number in the first place. it becomes a charade. >> one of the things to keep in mind is if you get an action had, or if you get to that point all is not right. i'm sorry. if you get the attention of the enforcement bureau, all is not rosie. so let's, you know, work from that baseline. we could talk about the amount of trouble damages. i'm willing to have that conversation. but more often than not, when a decision is handed down, it's not because everybody was cli t compliant. >> lynn stanton. i want to follow up on your apparent agreement about means testing. >> i'm sorry? >> i wanted to follow up on means testing for high cost subsidies, and i was wondering if either of you had any concrete vision of how that would work in reality, because other than turning it into a voucher program for individuals, i'm not being able to picture anything. i was wondering what your thoughts were. >> i would start an