om malik: i think so.ny that is becoming mediocre in terms of marketing and not being clear. emily: mediocre? you have a problem with that? om malik: let me finish. the stylus was for a reason. the ipad meant having a whole new set of gestures and class of applications. they have swung back to being mediocre from that standpoint. big screen or not, it does not make any difference. the stylus is a step back but does because it is added one more layer to the complex device that is out there. >> i vehemently disagree. the difference between the pencil and the stylus is the stylus was meant to act as a pointer, replacing a mouse. that is in the sense of a tactile object that conveys the sense of the hand on the screen. the difference is it is never intended to be about addressing the screen but allow you to draw. that is why it's called a pencil and not a stylus. you can live your entire life without it and you have -- emily: if you press more deeply -- om malik: it is all about semantics. i learned a whole ne

om malik: people like of those kind of gimmicks. think there is something, the quality of the images is far superior than i have ever seen from my phone. emily: what about 3-d touch? i am not sure why they changed it. the whole a new way of interacting with your phone. in e-mail butopen if you press more deeply, it opens more shortcuts. ben bajarin: there's not been any huge upgrades. all of the gestures they have brought advance the first big upgrade or new interaction. that is why i think it is significant when you look at the multitouch and developers took advantage. crated newapps and ways to interact with software. of those and iwo would expect more. things that developers can take advantage of and to do things quickly. get too deep layers without going into the app. eliminating five clicks and deal with one click. those little conveniences are nice. -- in terms of the technology to make this all work? nikhil bhogal: that technology has existed for a while but to take that and mass-produce it and fine-tune it so the user experi

we also have some the most influential apple watchers with me including om malik, ben bajarin, and nikhilhogal. there is a lot to talk about. but i want to start with om, you gave it a seven out of 10. why just seven? om malik: the only way you get to 10 is with steve jobs. he is not there. they did a good job. there were too many things. during the event, you felt there were good parts and that they were lacking in some places. i thought the pacing was a little off. from a product standpoint, solid upgrades. hence the seven from my point of view. emily: an iphone company and let's start with the iphone. i got to try out the two new phones. i saw the rose gold. i think i might like that color. what do you think? it is not a huge design change. there are little things that are significant. ben bajarin: a couple of interesting things. when you look at the product line, people say they look the same but apple said it's redesigned. it starts with the chip. things they are doing with the chipset to bring about capabilities -- and the games, i cannot believe those games are happening on a phone

emily: om malik, you are sticking with me throughout the show.ll of you apple enthusiasts are probably counting down to friday when iphones will be delivered. the big apple will have to wait. apple is telling new yorkers of delivery delays because of the pope. yes, pope francis arrives in new york city this thursday and friday after meeting with the president in washington. apple sent an e-mail to customers in zip codes affected saying that there will be traffic restrictions and they will make it up to new yorkers on saturday. ups has a service morning on his o.bsite, to from washington, to new york, to philadelphia, it is ok. you can wait. it is because of the. -- the pope. up next, my interview on tech valuations and unicorns. plus, a startup that helps investors get gadgets off of the ground is no more. details on the rise and fall of quirky. ♪ emily: welcome back. i am emily chang. i sat down with sam altman. he tweeted, "i am more scared of unit economics than burn rates." >> companies lose money before making money. that happened at faceboo