. >> omar brooks, a self-styled religious leader of an extremist group that is banned. >> he went in there and he shouted and hollered at everybody and everything is thinking this guy is the system. >> where is your freedom of speech now? >> they are considered heroes for the younger guys. >> you should not come to a muslim area. we don't want to see john reed or tony blair. >> it is easy for those guys to come back into the community and have a lot of supporters. >> these people, many self-appointed clerics are dominating the national debate and the debate within islam right now. they are the loudest voices. how is that possible? >> our scholars have educated themselves to preach islam are not coming out of their holes, their mosques to engage these people. they are frightened of that. sichlt so hanif is desperately trying to fix that, trying to get the mosque elders, many stuck in the tribal traditions of pakistan, to communicate with the younger generation. >> i would like to ask the young people because i'm part of the committee of next door mosque, which young man comes in the m

there aren't many people following the banner of omar brooks, yet he and his colleagues here have loudly moderates fight back. >> these people, ladies and gentlemen, have a good look at them. they actually think if you kill children, if you kill a woman, you would go to heaven. you have no chance in hell. you are a lawyer, mr. choudary, can i speak? you are a lawyer and you would know that you can't go to heaven except if you claim insanity. this is not an ideology. it's a mental illness. [ applause ] >> it's a common thing to say that the enemy, you know, they eat the babies, they kill the children, they're fundamentalists. and that happened during the second world war. there's a lot of propaganda. what are muslims supposed to do when they are being killed in the streets in afghanistan, in baghdad and other places, in palestinian? do they not have the same right to defend themselves? in war people die. people don't make love. they kill each other. >> we want to remove this idea that islam is a religion of peace. it is not a religion of peace. there is evidence in the book of islam calle