they also told us that in accordance with omb guidance, the irs is actively engaged with its union incurrent budgetary constraints. so the irs signaling there in that statement, maria, there might be wiggle room in negotiations with the union, but also saying they are legally required, apparently, to pay these benefits based on their bargaining agreement with the unions. so senator chuck grassley has discovered this, and he said he doesn't approve of this one bit in light of all of the budget tightening going on across the federal government, maria. >> all right. thank you so much. joining me from capitol hill, a first on cnbc interview, republican senator from iowa, charles grassley. senator, good to have you on the program. thank you so much for joining us. >> good to be with you, thank you. >> how did you find out about the soon-to-be-paid bonuses to union irs employees? >> we got inside information and we followed up, and it's accurate. when you figure that the omb put out this order that these bonuses shouldn't be given because of sequestration, and then you wonder if the preside

omb director. in the month that she has been in place, there have been no writ -- no confirmed deputy erectors, no one confirmed to run the regulatory part of the house. , just huge leadership challenges. let me come to either of our witnesses. , as governor, i should say to my cabinet time to time, i would say somebody in some state has faced this challenge and dealt with it effectively. our challenge in delaware was to find out who had done it and to go out there and see if that result, their methods were transferable, exportable. we can learn from them. commerce, you are doing something right. the reason why we ask you to testify is because we think you set examples for other agencies, certainly the department of defense, but others as well. what is it that has allowed you ?o stand out in the crowd here >> i want to start by saying that i cannot overstate the importance of senior leadership support of anything that i could conceivably take credit for congress and over the past three years. i wou

>> it is related to the options that we are working with omb and the acquisition communities to develop. what lessons did we learn from s.a.m.? we needed to reform the acquisitions systems and create a new modern acquisition environment. you are right that it is challenges -- challenging and will be difficult for us to pull off. we demonstrated the latter with our version that came out of s.a.m. last summer. because of the integration of those systems, we have gone from a number of vendors with actual representations' and certifications -- with actual presentations -- representations anticipations third.third -- to a we have also learned how we should manage information technology development programs. the office of government-wide policy, giving it to our policy shop was a mistake. this is an acquisition system. these are the folks who will .ave to use the -- who have to use the system. we owe you an explanation of how we will use the system along the way. we should be realistic about the time line. this is a very complicated area. onwe can really get a handle creating an integrated ac

i look forward to working with you until we turn omb around on this. i appreciate. >> on the geographic issues or anything else from this committee is united not the fact that the flame that isn't being implemented in the way that we intend not to. thank you mr. turney and ranking minority member of schakowsky for calling this hearing and for those that testified. this has been enlightening, informative and also for arizona i grew up in northern arizona in the town of snowflake surrounded by a lot of areas there. when the fire burned in 2002, i flew up there to just -- it made me sick just to see so many in our community and other communities who still 11 years later have not recovered. i went up camping in the mountains just near forest lakes a few weeks ago. and one little valley the was scared the fire but looking all around at the trees and the areas that will recover for a couple hundred years. and i thought that less than two years ago, the wallo fire. i traveled and chief tidwell, you were there. we experienced exactly what ms. vilsack said has

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so does omb have a similar function? >> is that no?> i can tell you that does not. >> so others have a check and a balance with the omb process? but section 1017 as referencing for any obligation on the part of the director with the director of the omb or any other operation in paragraph day or any jurisdiction or oversight of the affairs of operations of the bureau is that correct is that the point* you are referencing? >> okay. effective branch budget process you are exempt from the function. >> we do cygnets -- said it. >> it is submitted but you drive down the fund from the federal reserve. correct? with the federal reserve is the process by which they say yes or no? it also specifies that is how much? of the federal reserve. >> that is not a process for the funding of the bureau. >> $600 million? the other agencies goes to the process. and while i find it relevant in with that invitation to come before this committee with congressional oversight , you are exempt under this act from coming into this body. correct? >> it does have u

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it comes down to the pack, the performance accountable council, headed up by the deputy manager at omb. >> very quickly. mr. miller, should i be concerned about this? concerned there's no apparent metrics or standards or -- >> there are standards. but they vary between each agency so there's no reciprocity, no -- there are -- >> the standards could go from soup to nuts. >> yes, sir. there's been a great deal of effort under the performance accountability down align standards and get consistency across federal agencies. >> have we been successful in that, to develop a single measurable standard? >> sir, we're better than we have been. there's still work to do. >> okay. senator mccaskill. [inaudible] -- investigations, what kind of processes are in place, mr. mcfarland or miss schmidt, as to the investigations that person was responsible for? >> the federal investigative services has an integrity assurance process in place, which is how most of these cases are initially detected. when they suspect that falsification is occurring, they do what they call a recovery effort, which is to iden

you have a copy of letter to omb. and you can from the department will return mineral revenue withheld in fiscal year 2013 to the tune of $109 million to 35 states to which it is owed? >> senator, thanks for the question. your letter understand the importance of mineral revenues to the states. we are doing our best to comply with a balanced budget and emergency deficit control act, otherwise known as the sequester, and our understanding is that we were required to withhold payments. it is designed to be inflexible, damaging and indiscriminate. it is and this is an example of that. so i will be fulfilling my obligation under the law. whether that requires a repayment to the states or not is something that certainly omb is the right place to assess it, and if we're asked to do that we will absolutely will do that. we appreciate importance of the states but we're doing our best to comply with the law as it is written. >> i'd like to ask about blm regarding fracking. commentary in the '60s. oil and gas producers will be a

aen i was at omb, i find policy that froze bonuses in light of the sequester. it was one of our methods to deal with the sequester -- a bonus freeze. that got also said it was subject to legal constraints, so they had to be legally paid out. what is going on at irs right now is that we have a union and we have a bargaining unit ,an agreement that we will bargain on the question of bonuses with that unit. my answers on bonuses is that there is no decision has been made, going back to my comment about following rules and laws, i have an obligation before i freeze bonuses, if that is a decision that is made, i do not know at this time because i first step in my legal requirement is to bargain that issue with the unions, and that takes time. we are going through that process right now. >> mr. chairman, we need a sense of urgency and leadership with this. >> time has expired. mr. becerra. , thank you very much for being with us. i look forward to having you come back. i think you have mentioned that everything you stated in your reports and everything that the irs h

you come from omb. what would you recommend we put in place that would reduce the likelihood of that kind of crazy spending and the shopping spree mentality? >> one idea that comes to mind is that there should be more transparency about what goes on with federal spending across the entire spectrum. it would bring light and day to appropriators. >> the anaheim conference -- how has the irs addressed this concern? if you have a ready answer day, you do not have to enter it again. >> we have either implemented or in the process of implementing. we are updating manuals. make sure there is robust accounting. make sure we know where the we updated the. requirements. the irony is that we have knocked down in very significant ways the percentage of this activity. we put in new procedures to make sure when it does happen, that it is tracked more appropriately. >> i have got a bugaboo about swag. i think that a government does not need to be in the business of buying anything that resembles swag, and i think we s

the bureau need not listen to basic advice from the office of omb. on may 31st this year it issued a controller alerts reducing spending by which they have jurisdiction. given the waste and abuse and conferences, this is the least we could hope for although now they can use the alert with expenditures brought into question such as a 55 million set aside for renovating the headquarters building just ups from the white house? incidentally that number 55 million is more than the entire construction and acquisition budget. >> of piro has also asked to cover this survey although there are specific recommendations the bureau tied this survey which 90 percent but they decided to do its own by taking the action already being ranked along the other 98 percent of federal agencies that do participate. now the in-house employee survey revealed concerns regarding management of the bureau's staff. the survey provided only 35 .6% of the employees that take steps to deal with a poor performer who cannot or will not improve''. so only one-third of the staff of the bu

three weeks ago a bipartisan group of us, five members of and i sent you a letter to omb. you have a copy. we asked them to confirm it you would return fiscal revenue to the states. we explained a provision that was in the federal budget law requiring the department to return withheld revenue winds to procession took place in the mid-1980's. the same provision takes place now. of the letter. can you confirm the agency will return the money withheld to the tune of $109 million? >> thank you for the question. in your letter i understand the importance of minimal revenue to the states. we are doing our best to comply with a balanced budget and the sequester. our understanding is that we will required to withhold payments. it is designed to be damaging and indiscriminate. it is area it is an example of that. i will be for filling my obligation under the law whether that requires a repayment to the states are not as something that omb is the right place to assess that. if we are asked, what absolutely do that. we are doing our best to comply to the law. --ks i would like to ask

both omb, the office of management and budget, had directed the agencies not to give these bonuses, parcularl when we're furloughing peopople. we're in the financial situati that we're in. then you h have an agency that s sp out of conol, whether it is targeting political groups. last week we did a hearing on spending outrageous sums on these cventions, speakers, gifts for that employees. melissa: right. >> and now they want to give $70 million which is not warranted or really required under, under their labor contract. lissa: let's dig into that a little bit. is it required? because the irs says that it is under al obligation to comply with its collective bargaining agreementhich specifies the terms by which awards areaid to bargaining unit emploes. but at the same time, you know, chuck grassley says that the fact that the original agreement allows for reappropriation of such award funding in the event of a budgetary short fall. so which is it. are they required to give them or not? >> first of all we believe, senatorrassley and i agree, that the terms of the agreement that they were working

the sequester which took effect this year so you have a copy of a letter to omb. can you confirm the department will return mineral revenue withheld in fiscal year 2013 to the tune of $109 million to 35 states to which it is a vote? >> senator thanks for the question in your letter. i understand the revenue to the state. we are doing our best to comply with a balanced budget emergency control act otherwise than as the sequester and our understanding is that we were required to withhold payment. it is designed to be flexible and indiscriminate. this is an example of that so i will be fulfilling my application under the law. whether that requires a repayment to the states are not is something that certainly omb is the right place to assess this and if we are asked to do that we will absolutely do that. we are doing our best to comply with the law. >> i would like to ask about the revised hydraulic fracturing row. you advised extending the comment period another 60 days. gas producers will be able to obtain a variance for roof which have their own hijacking -- hydrau

if so, please explain why and how that is consistent with omb guidance. in response, the agency acknowledged the guidance, but said quote, irs is under a legal obligation to comply with the collective bargaining agreement which specifies terms by which awards are paid to bargaining unit employees. after playing nicely in televised hearings, the chairman and top democrat have a spat over irs employee interview transcripts. he defied him by releasing scrutiny of a manager in cincinnati. schaefer was asked do you have reason to believe anyone in the white house was involved in the decision to screen tea party cases? schaefer responded i have no reason to believe that. >> issa says the concern is they would like to give a road map of what to say. he said he didn't know of rogue agents in cincinnati. >> mike emanuel, thanks for that. >>> some super power stubbornness, you won't believe what it is over later on the grapevine. >>> up next, would immigration reform really boost the economy? ] running out of steam? ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v

he came over from omb, so he's not quite as new as you might think. >> i don't think it has anythingdo with being new, and you say there was no wrongdoing. how many people you have answer viewed, steven miller, lois lerner, and basically he hasn't interviewed anybody. cincinnati workers, no? how can you conclude that there is no wrongdoing if you didn't interview anybody. that has nothing to do with being new on the job. >> the tea party stands for constitutionally limited government, fiscal responsibility, and we stand for accountability of our representatives. i can't imagine why any american would not agree with following the constitution. it's the essence of what makes us americans. and just to answer your question more fully. we caught it in the media today being compared to islamic terrorists or something in a rassmussen poll, i caught the end of that. and today, i'm an airline pilot by trade. today, i sat next to a nuclear engineer, retired businessmen, housewives, basically average americans. >> why are you called a terrorist? >> i think not because of my mustache. we are ver

the omb showed have a deficit being reduced as we speak 10 year projections. >> laura: so the problemshat we have, as far as the deficit, debt, and all the structural problems that we have, the global warming initiative, monica, you can jump in on here, global warming is really what the folks are clamoring for? they're not clamoring for this. >> last week remember in europe he gave a speech in which focus was the reduction of the american's nuclear arsenal. americans are not talking about is an issue. climate change nobody is talking about and not an issue. these things are planted by barack obama on purpose, laura, to distract us from what's really going on. first of all you have all of the scandals, the seeds of which are planted in the first term. irs, doj, benghazi. we have no answers on all of this stuff. all the logical results of the fundamental transformation of the nation which is what he told us he was going to do back in 2008. you can't carry that out, laura, without breaking a food heads, hence the irs, the doj and the rest. all of these other issues that he has been talkin

i would go over and beg for money periodically, and that would be at omb.t in the white house itself. what clearly happened here was there were a large number of meetings that would appear on the affordable care act, and it just -- it should have been -- that question should have been handled more crisply and in a more forthcoming manner. >> do you worry that its involvement in the enforcement of obama care, given the fact that that is so highly charged and political, will rub off on the irs and make it a more political agency even absent the current scandal? >> well, absolutely. i've expressed that concern, geraldo. i've testified to that. because what you need to guard is the independence of the service. it has a difficult job in any number of areas, but it's got to be seen and believed to be independent by everybody. by all parties. >> would you call on your successor, former commissioner shulman, to frankly and honestly and fully reveal to the american people even absent a congressional hearing exactly what he was doing inside the white house on those -

when i was at omb i sign out a policy that goes bonuses across the garden in light of sequester. it was one of our methods of dealing with the sequester cuts was a bonus freeze, but that guidance also said it was subject to legal constraints. at the bonuses had to be legally paid out wher we had to look ine issue. what's going on at irs right now in is that we have a union and we have a bargaining unit, an agreement that we will bargain on the question of bonuses with that union. and my answer on bonuses is that there's no decisions been made. going back to my point about follow the rules of law and procedure, i have an obligation before i freeze the bonuses for irs, if that's the decision that ultimately, i do not this time because my first step and my legal requirement is to bargain issue with the unique and that takes time. we're going through that process right now. >> thank you we need a sense of urgency with this and leadership to put a freeze on these bonuses. >> time has expired. mr. becerra. >> mr. werfel, thank you very much for being with us. look forward to having you

omb has different numbers than what the center for american progress found. put it as 100 $36 billion over the last three years. the last time the white house office of management and budget looked at this, their numbers were in the area of 11.5 alien dollars per year, going from 2001 to 2011. why are the numbers so different? guest: the office of management and budget looked only at homeland security and fema. in 2011, they found we spent byghtly over $2 billion .ema we looked the wider range of programs programs and found more than 10 times that. we found $21 billion worth of spending. the reason for that is we look at all programs, not just fema. for example, 2011 was a serious drought year and a high number of declared disasters. there were monies spent four droughts, hurricanes, all kinds of things. i was the year we had hurricane irene. by looking -- that was the year we had hurricane irene. , we found broader spending. we found that we should have the office of management and budget look for spending over the entire government, and not just fema. we es

the report has been sent to omb and the white house.trust that commerce and treasury have also submitted their report on incentives. it will be subjected by omb to an interagency process, and at the end of the process the expectation is to rereese -- release it to you all and the private sector for comment. what we want out of this is to pull together, and we've had workshops to talk about incentives. we had one last week in pittsburgh to draw in the private sector to give us their ideas about incentives to have critical infrastructure adopt the critical, the cybersecurity framework. be -- that report will cover such things as insurance as a possibility, it will cover such things as certification with some liability protections as a possibility. these are all still ideas that are in a formative stage, and i don't think it's appropriate at this point to make those initial reports public. but the intention of the administration is to make those reports public to you, the congress, and to the private -- >> but not because they're secret, i

. >> larry, you're a former omb. >> i am. >> if you net out the spending and the taxes according to theonal budget office, the affordable care act lowers the budget deficit by $100 billion over the next ten years. that's macroeconomic chicken feed. >> jimmy, help me on this. i don't have much time. >> the one thing we haven't heard, that most of the so-called terrible austerity and figures c fiscal drag is coming from tax hikes. if you're so worried, you should be calling for low aer taxes. >> we could debate it forever. all eye say is this. you limit government spending, lower marginal tax rates and that would be marginal corporate tax rates, the economy would grow twice as fast from 2% to 4%. and that would reduce the budget deficits over the next ten years according to the cbo by as much as $7 trillion. >> history has not been kind to supply side predictions like that. >> i beg your pardon. you go to the 20s, the jfk '60s, and reagan/clinton '80s and '90s and you'll see that lower tax rates and growth were the key. and i'll stick to those supply side -- >> clinton and reagan raised t

i talked with the department of transportation, department of transportation as the rulemaking's omb right now and what we have been trying to do and spend more time doing this and looking at stocks, we are trying to to get the airlines to disclose their ancillary fees at the time we buy our airline tickets. right now if we buy airline tickets from a travel agency, that will be from expedia or a corporate travel agency. we don't know how much the baggage will cost, we don't know how much seat reservations costs and there are a lot of other fees that go in. i am concerned with baggage fees and seat reservation fees so that consumers can compare prices and especially if we end up with a merger coming through which is bringing competition out of the system there has to be away consumers can have an ability to comparison shop for tickets with everything together and look at oranges and oranges. that is what we have been trying to do. we are getting close to it but it is a long process to bring this thing to fruition and that is what consumers need. otherwise we have no way to compare the

arnie weber became the first amendment omb and he was a burly and president of northwestern university and so on. so, if i had ruled all these people out, i have ruled because they were registered democrats. i wouldn't have had the competence. i'm not saying -- i should have asked the question and done something about it. but anyway, if you have competent people around you, you are going to do much better than if you don't. the first job is to form your team and get people who are competent and that those. >> host: that leads to rule number six in the george shultz book, finally give the people on your team responsibility and reward them for exercising. >> guest: you want to be able to say here is what we are trying to achieve. this is our objective, and your part -- this is what you're supposed to be doing. and yes, you and i will work on it together but this is your responsibility. and i want to administer on the basis of no surprises that if something happens dad, i want to know about it right away, if something happens that surprisingly good i would like to know about that, too bec

you have a copy of the letter to omb. can you confirm that the department will return mineral revenue withheld in fiscal year 2013 to the tune of $109 million to the states it's owed? >> thank you for the question your letter. i understand the importance of mineral revenue to the states. we are doing our best to comply with the balance budget in emergency deficit and control act, otherwise known as the sequester. our understanding is they were required to withhold payments. it's designed to be inflexible, damaging with, this is an example of that. so i will be fulfilling my obligation under the law, whether that requires a repayment to the states or not is something that certainly omb is the right place to assess this, and we are absolutely will do that. we appreciate the importance to the states. we are doing our best to comply with the law as it's written. >> thank you. i would like to ask about the blm revising fracturing rule. i understand the oil and gas producers will be able to obtain a variance from blm's rules in

now our staffs are working with omb staffs to let's compare the assumptions., we're talking about 30-year projections, nobody's going to accurately predict that, but the only way you can come to solutions is if we agree on the size of the problem. i come from business where if you're trying to buy a business and the seller has one set of books and the buyer on the other side of the table with another set, you'll never come to a successful agreement. you have to have the audited set of books. >> ron johnson, we have to leave it there, senator from wisconsin. we got through a lot of stuff. thank you. >> thanks. >>> up next the new developments on the worldwide search for edward snowden and just how did he manage to smuggle the top secret documents from the nsa? >>> but the daily trivia question. mike rogers expected to announce whether he'll run for the u.s. senate in michigan, yes or no. he said he'd do it today and we'll ask you this, who was the last sitting republican congressman from michigan to become a senator? i know who the last democratic one was, it w

omb whereht now are at they're undergoing an interagency review process. has alreadyial work been done. e produced a description of critical infrastructure relationships that illustrate how or current organizational provide risk management support to owners and it easier formake them to collaborate for us. what does that mean? we shared with you how he big complicated departments are organize and what are the portals of entry so you know how to get help and provide the ideas. e provide instructions on producing classified cyberthreat ability o include the of critical infrastructure artners to respond to the significant threat. i said unclassified. let me put a book mark down. of the challenges quite frankly is to increase the capacity of those who are owners and operators of critical receive cture to classified material and to receive it on a realtime basis. o the information sharing challenge goes both ways. it goes from private companies us, but also us at -- at the unclassified, but the classified level to you. procedures for the expansion of the enhanc

if i'm not mistaken, you're in a white house meeting yesterday with the chief of staff and the omb director. >> yes. >> some of the reports, senator graham, said basically nothing happened. is that true? >> well, i think we're trying to define the problem. here's the challenge for you, larry, and i really respect you greatly. why don't you sit down with your staff and come up with a number of what the deficit will be in 30 years if we continue to collect revenue at an average pace and spend money at average pace. the 80 million baby boomers are retiring at $10,000 -- 10,000 a day. in 30 years 80 million are going to be in retirement. what does that do to the deficit? please come up with a number if you could over the next 30 years and see how much we owe at the end of that 30-year period. it will blow your mind. >> it's going to be -- no, that number's going to be around $50 trillion if i'm not mistaken. and if i'm wrong, i'm too low. but i guess are you all as far apart as these reports indicate? now, the debt ceiling's not coming into play until, i don't know, october or november. but is

you come from omb. what would you recommend we put in place that would reduce the likelihood of that kind of crazy spending and the shopping spree mentality? >> one idea that comes to mind is that there should be more transparency about what goes on with federal spending across the entire spectrum. it would bring light and day to appropriators. >> the anaheim conference -- how has the irs addressed this concern? if you have a ready answer day, you do not have to enter it again. >> we have either implemented or in the process of implementing. we are updating manuals. make sure there is robust accounting. make sure we know where the money is going. the irony is that we have knocked down in very significant ways the percentage of this activity. we put in new procedures to make sure when it does happen, that it is tracked more appropriately. >> i have got a bugaboo about the facts. i think that a government does not need to be in the business of buying anything that resembles swag, and i think we spend a fa

you have a copy of the letter to omb. can you confirm the department will return mineral revenue withheld in fiscal year 2013 to the tune of $109 million to the 35's case to which it is out? >> senator, thanks for the question. i understand the importance of revenue to the state. we are doing our best to comply the balanced budget and emergency deficit control act known as the sequester in our understanding that we were required to withhold payments. it is defined to be inflexible, damaging and indiscriminate. this is an example of that. i will be fulfilling obligation under the law, whether that requires repayment to the states are not is something that certainly omb is the right place to assess various ended for us to do that, we absolutely do that. we appreciate the importance of the states, but we do our best to comply with the law as written. >> update to ask you about the blm rule today. to announce extending the comment. another 60 days. oil and gas producers will be a lot to obtain a variance from the rolls and sa

our successes are due in large part to our partnership with omb, odni, the department of defense, and other agencies. we have no backlogs. we are meeting timeless mandates. and we have increased automation. our investigative services conducts back rent investigations -- background investigations to support hiring, security clearances, credential determinations, among others. the processes supporting these activities are highly integrated, automated, insistently measured against timeliness and performance quality standards. performance data for these background investigations are togely reported o todni,-- odni, executive branch agencies, and to congress. these products and services are used as a basis for making security clearance and credentialing determinations by agencies. since absorbing dod's background investigative or graham in 2005, dod personal security clearances have been removed from the government's accounting office. opm has conducted over 95% of the background investigations required by the federal government. opm manages, oversees the federal employees and contractors

. >> yes, the report has been done and sent to the omb. trust the commerce and treasury have sent in their own report on incentives. it will be subjected by omb to an inter agency process. the expectation is to release it to you for public comment. what we want out of this is to pull together. we had workshops last week. we had a meeting in pittsburgh to draw in the private sector to give us their ideas about incentives to have critical infrastructure adopt the cybersecurity framework. that report will cover such things as insurance is a possibility, i will cover such things as certification with liability protections. these are all ideas and a formative stage. i don't think it's appropriate at this point to make the initial reports public. but the intention of the administration to make the reports public to you. >> but not because they are secrets but because getting ready for the bill to pursue this topic. we covered a lot of topics today but we really count on you and homeland security area. >> thank you for holding this hearing and th

. >> the omb. >> tomorrow morning on washington journal, the look at foreign policy with republican representative christopher smith of new jersey. he is the chairman of the subcommittee on africa global health, human rights and international organizations and we will be joined by a member of the house ways and means committee, representative john larsen, a connecticut democrat who will take your questions about congressional oversight of the internal revenue service. you can also call into talk with christian science monitor staff writer mark clayton about his article on terror watch list. that is washington journal live on c-span tomorrow morning 7:00 a.m. eastern. and also tomorrow, the senate armed services committee will hold a hearing on pending legislation regarding sexual assaults in the military. we will hear testimony from the joint chiefs of staff, general mark tnc, army chief of staff general rate of piano, and the, not of the marine corps, general james amos. watch the hearing live in 9:30 a.m. eastern here on c-span 34 listen on the c-span radio. earlier today at the white house cann

the omb took a look at it and agreed your we think it is a mistake. we oppose that.ut that is the power of this industry and a cost-benefit analysis has on the process. host: so there are concessions made? guest: there is a process peer however, and our expense, they often make mistakes and that. that is the rare instance that you can point to where they made a mistake that did not result in coal-fired generation being the tyrants. host: we are having a discussion on looking at the president's climate action plan. two guests joining us for this conversation. joshua zive electric reliability coordinating council withey electric reliability coordinating council as a lawyer and lobbyist, the national resources defense council, he served as the federal vacations director. michael is up next. good morning. i agree with president obama proposed a plan for climate change, what you need to realize is climate change has always been in existence on this planet. and every other planet there is. they are known as the seasons. you may know them as winter,, spring, and fall. wheth

these are at omb, where they are undergoing a review process. the initial work has been done. we have produced a description of critical infrastructure relationships that illustrate how our current organizational structure can provide risk management support to owners and operators and make it easier for them to collaborate with us. what does that mean? we shared with you how complicated departments are organized so you know where to get help and how to provide ideas. we have supplied instructions on producing classified cyber threats reports to improve the ability of critical infrastructure partners to prevent and respond to significant threats. let me pause a moment. i said unclassified. to receive classified material on a real-time basis. the information sharing challenge goes both ways. it comes -- it goes from private companies to us and also us to you. we have produced procedures for expansion of the enhanced cybersecurity services to all critical infrastructure sectors, provide for greater cyber threat information sharing, and we have provided recommendations on incorpo

if so, please explain why and how that is consistent with office of management and budget, omb, guidancease provide a copy of the new agreement. meanwhile, on the house side of the capitol, a war has erupted between democrat elijiah cummings and chairman darrell issa. cummings released a full transcript of a congressional interview, cummings says it debunks conspiracy theories about irs targeting. bottom line, there's a bit of a war going on in the house oversight committee. jon? jon: we'll keep an eye on that one as well. mike emanuel, thank you. >> reporter: thank you, sir. jenna: well, "happening now," new trouble for the state department's security agency already under the microscope amid allegations of illegal and very unprofessional misconduct. two top officials facing accusations they may have lied in a lawsuit against former secretary of state hillary clinton. our chief washington correspondent, james rosen, is with us now. he, of course, covers the state department. so, james, why are we finding out about this now? >> reporter: well, jenna, good afternoon. these latest disclosur

before at that, he was a comptroller of the omb, the office of management and budget. he worked for the federal government over the last 12 years. yesterday he seemed stumped when asked how many americans continue to have their applications delayed at the irs in this process? >> how many americans, how many groups of americans continue to have their applications delayed? how many groups continue to be held under unjust, unconstitutional scrutiny by the irs as of today? >> that's a question that i want the answer to as well. martha: pretty tough in there yesterday. on the job just a couple of weeks so far. werfel is now in the middle of a 30-day top to bottom review of the agency. that is the job cut out before him. we'll see how he does. bill: answers were scarce too. werfel is new on the job, the subcommittee's top republican says he wants answers for the conservative groups that received extra scrutiny. have a listen here. >> they were harassed. they were intimidated. they were bullied. this went on for almost three years and no one spoke up. we know that but there's

when he was at the omb. >> we will hear more about the treasury department specter general reports on funding coming up on thursday. they hold a hearing looking into the findings. that will be live in the morning at 930 eastern over on c-span3. president obama hosted a conference focusing on mental health issues. he called on those suffering with mental health issues to come out of the shadows. this is 15 minutes. >> i feel deeply honored to be with you here today to openly discuss the very important topic of mental health in america today. mental health disorders affect tens of millions of people each year. due to unnecessary stigma, only a small handful will receive treatment and suffer in silence. those who do receive treatment will leave them feeling ashamed, uilt and secrecy. and is in the challenges all too well connect with this topic deeply because i have been there. august5 on august 15 of 1999 when suicide hit my brother's life at the young age of 20. in the acre of grass next to our childhood home where we used to laugh and play together. ofht years later at the age 23 i wa

. >> yes, the report has been done and sent to the omb. it will be subjected by omb to an inter agency process. the expectation is to release it comment.r public a meeting in pittsburgh to draw in the private sector to give us their ideas about incentives to have critical infrastructure adopt the cybersecurity framework. that report will cover such as insurance is a possibility, i will cover such things as certification with liability protections. these are all ideas and a formative stage. i don't think it's appropriate at this point to make the initial reports public. but the intention of the administration to make the reports public to you. >> but not because they're sick of it because they're incomplete. is that correct? not because they are secrets but because they're incomplete. is that correct? >> yes. crocs my time is up. i will ask to render in writing of the role of and i shall guard and cybersecurity the nation. i've written you several times about it. i will write again to clarify the role. the department of homeland security un

mark himself has held senior positions in cbo and omb and at the centers for medicare and medicaid services. the non-profit sector. and i'm pleased to say he is a frequent flier on our panel. not as frequently as we would like, but we're happy to have you. >> thank you. i think it is going really well. >> not as smooth. what they asked me to do is to take you through the payment policy and the evolution and what is coming. that is what i'm going to try and do. i am from the medicare advisory commissions. that choice of managed-care plans are private plan and traditional fee-for-service. we think that private plan is a tool that fee-for-service is not necessarily have to coordinate care and keep the necessary volume down. on the other hand, like every other payment we think that they have to be done carefully to be fair to the providers. also, to be fair to the taxpayer and beneficiary. some issues with respect to the the private plans. just to jump right then, the first thing i want you to get into your heads, managed care works like this. fee-for-service, its volume driven and uncoordinate

successor board put out a strategic plan, and the president has accepted part of that strategic plan, omb has supported it, and they have offered up a ceo of u.s. international broadcasting. while i may not believe it's necessary, i can support it. and i can support it as long as the ceo of u.s./international broadcasting is beyond and behind a firewall with the res of the bbg board. -- with the rest of the bbg board must remain behind the firewall. the most important thing that u.s./international broadcasting has in its favor around the world is its credibility. so my suggestion to you, and i urge you that when you are considering making certain changes, keep in mind that the most thing that we have going for us is our credibility. i don't think you get that by destroying the broadcast entities in any way, shape or form. i don't believe you get that by putting va and the rest of the -- v, a and the rest of the entities in the state department. i'm not in favor of that. my, while there's so much to talk about it's hard to know where to stop, i want to leave you with just one more thing be

he's the head of omb. a lot of good things. i know nothing bad about him. but that's enough of this. enough of this. >> mr. president? >> the senator from montana. >> i just want to talk a little bit about this amendment, 1634, very quickly. the good senator from ohio has talked about and it's been well but i want to talk about a few things. dissonance of stance improves privacy protection for e-verify programs. that's a good thing. it ensures no federal database will be created using a photo to our other data from the state dmv database. that's a good thing. it ensures no federal government agency can access information made available under e-verify. it's a good thing. it increases privacy protections using established techniques such as requiring an individual be notified when their social to the number issued for the purpose of employment their vacation in a minute that is potentially fraudulent. that's a good thing. and it requires new regular reporting of suspected fraudulent use of the e-verify process. this is a good amendment. it will make a good bi

she has been one of washington's premier health policy analysts for 25 years or some she's been at omb. she has been at hhs. she has run her own firm. she understands how health programs work and she will tell us how medicare advantage works from the standpoint of the plans. thanks for being with us. >> thank you so much, ed, for that lovely introduction and thanks so much, diane, appreciate the invitation to be here today to talk about medicare advantage. the blue cross-blue shield association as ed mentioned, is comprised of 38 independent companies across the country. plans offer coverage up to individuals, small groups, and large groups, in every zip code in this country. plans also participate, tense sievely in the government programs including medicare advantage, medicaid, as well as the federal employees health benefit programs and in addition all blue plans offer medigap coverage, medicare supplemental coverage. you heard gretchen did a great job telling you who is in the program. blue plan enrolls about 2.5 million people, about 17% of all medicare advantage beneficiaries. blu