jim at the omb seems to have decided otherwise so it's clear the omb initially had determined that it is well above $100 million impact. so is it the epa's belief that if a rule has indirect economic impacts of $100 million or more it should not be deemed economically significant? >> you should not be surprised that we often have back and forth with omb. i would not consider that to be a determinative -- >> okay. if we could go to the next slide. in this e-mail the epa office of water employee jim pendergras writes, nancy stoner and kim kapakis, know that a regulatory impact analysis may be negs necessary. but there are some economically significant rules from epa that haven't had an ria, which is required according to the executive order we cited earlier. but stating here there are some economically significant rules from epa that haven't had an r.i.a. they are checking with the office of policy to see if there was some agreement at the political level that we don't have to conduct an r.i.a., an r.i.a. that is required by law. the response to this e-mail states good news. tamika and

let's go through the rule-making process at omb. promulgate the rules and let's comply with the rules. simple as that. >> what do you think is the correct dollar amount that we would have the balance of being able to supervise contracts, but not have every last paper clip be covered by this contractual obligation? >> again, i have no idea. i'm not a program facialofficial but we have pc 3, it's a far-based contract. providing specialty care and goes up into the hundreds of thousands of dollars and veterans are getting care every day using pc 3. >> and do all providers in the pc 3 kneltwork have a far-based contract? >> have a what contract? >> a far-approved contract? >> if they're in -- >> even in a rural area like i'm in? >> no. there are some rural areas, for instance, another far-based contract which you're familiar with called arch. i'm not that familiar with it because i'm not a program official. but i know it exists because of care that's required out in rural areas. >> so what my time is nearly up, but i think what i'm inter

is there a report by omb? >> there's not a report that i am aware. >> can you provide me with a report? >> the gao report is coming out very soon. >> will there be a report for omb? >> i'm not omb, sir, i can't tell you that? >> would you work with me to request a report from omb? >> sir i think the department -- the administration has made its decision. we have made a decision that it is in the best interest of all of us to move ahead with fort bickett. omb has responded to congress several times that i'm aware of. request for omb would have to come -- >> mr. starr, i'm not going to accept that, i'm going to tell you i'm going to continue to fight this, i think you're wasting taxpayers money you have a fine facility that can be utilized without building another, and without wasting taxpayer's money like the state department has done time and time again. >> i do not want to ever waste taxpayer money sir. i think the upcoming report will show this is not a waste of funding. we have to build 90% of the facilitie

>> the gao report is coming out very soon. >> will there be a report with omb? >> i'm not omb. i can't answer that. >> would you work with me to request that from omb? >> we have made a decision it is in the best interest of all of us to move ahead with ft. pickett. a request for omb would have to come from -- >> mr. starr, i'm not going to accept that. i'm going to continue to fight this because i think you're wasting taxpayers' money. i think you have a perfectly fine facility that be utilized without wasting taxpayers' money like the state department has done time and time again. >> i do not ever want to waste taxpayer money, sir. we have to build 90% of the facilities that we would have to build -- would have to be built in georgia as well as fort pickett pickett. georgia does not have the facilities that we need. >> they have shown they can do that at a lower cost. >> no, sir they have not. i think the outcoming gao report will show that. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i yield the remay understandinder of my time. >> thank you, mr. chair and to the committee that's speaking h

>> yes, it has, and we've worked very close with omb. this was one of the points that the auditor or the ig brought out in his flash audit and i can assure the auditor or the ig that we in fact have been working very very closely with omb. this is an urgent issue. and we are moving very -- as fast as we can, making sure that we track, we justify and document all that we're doing. consistent with the om kb standards that have been given to us, we have a budget that we've worked very closely with omb to deliver. >> why in response to the ig audit one of the concerns was you give a soul source contract if i understand correctly, to manage all four phases of this very large project. now, what type of contract is it? is it a fixed cost project? and what steps are you considering in light of the audit. >> as i said before, there's often times places where we have areas of agreement, and areas where we would like to have further consideration with the auditor, in the flash audit, the inspector general encouraged the use of existing contracts or

it is also worth noting that omb no longer requires systems to be authorized every three years. but that is assuming that agencies have implemented a mature continuous monitoring program. our fisma audit determined that opm does not have a mature program and therefore we still expect opm systems to have current authorizations. the third concern relates to opm's use of technical security controls. they have implemented a variety of controls and tools to make the i.t. systems more secure. while this is a positive step, we are concerned that the tool ready not being implepmented properly and do not cover the entire technical infrastructure as we found that opm does not have an accurate centralized inventory of all servers and data bases. even if all of the security tools were being used properly opm cannot fully defend the network without a comprehensive list of assets. also there has been much discussion of the difficulty in securing opm systems as they are old legacy systems. while this is true in many cases, and many of opm systems are main frame based it is our understanding th

. >> did the omb determine if it was economically significant when you first requested it? >> i will have to get back to you. >> if the omb had indeed determined it was economically significant, with the epa have conducted a regulatory analysis? >> yes we would have. >> i would like to show you a series of e-mails that were produced for the committee by the epa regarding the proposed waters of the united states rule by the omb as being economically significant. in this slide, this e-mail, the office of general counsel lawyers -- they discussed that this rule is economically significant. david evans writes -- economic assessment identifies economic costs well above $100 billion a year. i think epa has claimed the indirect effects should not be used to trigger the monetary threshold of identifying economically significant policy actions. it is clear that the omb initially had determined that it is well above $100 billion impact. is it the epa's believe that if the role has indirect economic impact, it should not be economically significant? >> you should not be surprised that

and tom scully, who was dick diamond's deputy over at omb comes over to me and says, governor here'sthe section that childcare should be in, and the provisions the president agreed on and wants are not in it. so i went to tom foley and i said, mr. speaker these provisions aren't in it. the president has said he'll veto this bill if they're not in it. well foley looks at me, and i think he must have thought i was bluffing, and he says the president's not going to veto this bill after 18 or 20 months of negotiating. and this isn't important. we'll find something else later and put it on a bill coming down later. i said, mr. speaker the president will veto this bill if it's not in it. now it's close to three in the morning. he says, well, we're not going to change it. i said, mr. speaker, just a minute. i picked up the phone and i called the white house. the usher answered the phone. i said could you please wake up the president. and the president comes to the phone. i said, mr. president tom foley doesn't believe that you will veto this bill if childcare the way you want it is not in i

on june 12, the white house announced the establishment of a cyber security sprint team comprised of omb, nsa, dhs, and dod personnel to conduct a 30-day review of the federal government's cyber security policies, procedures, and practices. on a re-prioritized basis, we are deploying teams to assess the highest value systems across the federal/civilian government and hunt for and remove adversaries identified in the system. this response to the opm breach is part of a much broader federal cyber security effort that has been underway for some time. there is a great deal that has been done and is being done now to secure our networks. we do in fact block a large number of intrusions, including those by state actors. but we can and must do more. as i've said before, congress can help. by law, each head of the federal department or agency is primarily responsible for his or her own cyber security. the department of homeland security has overall responsibility for protecting federal civilian systems from cyber threats, helping agencies better defend themselves, and providing response teams to

there is a house oversight and government reform committee that is grilling the omb, asking for the director to resign. the director of that group is now saying she will not resign. catherine archuleta said she will not resign, said she is committed to doing the work she wants to do. she and her top yet deputies are being asked to resign because of this huge grief. they are saying china's responsible, china says they are not. jonathan elias, abc 7 news. montgomery county also developing, the fbi says it what it plans to attack americans over the july for holiday. -- the fbi says they thwarted plans to attack americans over the fourth of july holiday. first, brianne carter is on the national mall with what we know about the foiled plots. brianne: maureen, 10 people were arrested within the weeks leading up to the fourth of july holiday. that holiday where lots of people were on high alert. many talking about the possibility of a threat. we know that 10 arrested. this news coming from the f ei director earlier today -- the fbi director james cody earlier today. he would not give additional inf

is there a report by omb about this? >> omb has looked at this. >> can you provide me a report? >> the gao report is coming out soon. >> will there be a report from omb? >> i am not omb so i cannot answer that. >> will you work with me to request one? >> it is in the best interest of all to move ahead with fort pickett. omb has responded to congress several times. a request would have to come from -- >> mr. starr i will not accept this. i think you are wasting taxpayers money. i think you have a perfectly line facility that you can use without wasting taxpayer money like the state department money has done time and again. >> i do not want to waste taxpayer money. this is not a waste of funding. we have to build 90% of the facilities that will have to be built in georgia as well as fort pickett. georgia does not have the facilities that we need. >> they have proven and they have shown that they can do that at a lower cost. >> no, sir, they have not. i think the upcoming gao report will show that. >> an interesting topic and we will follow up on that. we will now recognize the gen

we have asked omb for additional resources to make sure -- i think it's omb right? omb to make sure that we have a sufficient resource to begin stockpiling that

we have asked omb for additional resources to make sure -- i think it's omb right? omb to make sure that we have a sufficient resource to begin stockpiling that vaccine. we're also working with, as i said earlier our foreign friends, we had a meeting in baltimore where over 30 countries came with representatives to talk to them about the appropriate way of banning boultry if we have this, that it's not fair to your poultry producers because there's an incident in oregon or iowa the ban production from you and so we're continuing to work on that, as well. the last thing we're trying to do is to convince congress that -- this is a long-term issue. i'm pretty sure this isn't the only time we're going to have to dole with something like this is to see if we could complete the funding for the poultry lab improvements that i think are absolutely necessary in modernization of that lab. >> that would be good. would this virus be available fairley soon or what's the timetable? >> well, you know i would hope it would be but i don't want to speak for the company in terms of ho

it is clear the omb initially determined it is well above hundred million dollars.e that if a whole has indirect economic impact that should not be deemed economically significant? >> he should not be surprised we often had back and forth. i would not consider that a determination clicks if we could go to the next slide. the epa office of water employee rights nancy, nancy stoner and kim to pockets no that a regulatory impact analysis may be necessary but there are some economically significant rules that have not had an riaa, which is required according to the executive order. he is stating there is economically significant rules that have not had an riaa. they are checking with the office of policy to see if there is some agreement at the political level that we do not have to conduct an riaa that is required by law the response to the response to this e-mail states good news. tamika and sandy talked and can has said it has been agreed we do not need an riaa. let's leave it at that. so there was a political decision made that you do not need to do what law says yo

i met up with some of our key people from omb office of management and budget to watch what was going on. i went to the president. we listed eight or nine things including childcare. tom scully the section on childcare. mr. speaker, these provisions are not in it. the pres.it. the president has said he will veto this bill. foley looks at me. we will find something else later and put it on the bill the pres. we will veto this if it is not in it. posted three in the morning. we're not going to change it. picked up the phone i call the white house. the usher answered. please wake of the president he comes to the phone. can i speak to the speaker? bush was committed to having those provisions in the end was willing to start the process over. the last item, and then and then i'll talk about one more thing. really the energy side. one area where the pres. participated on a very active level and was committed our policy bring up the capacity of this nation deliver the energy it needs to us over the world. here the task force that is packaged together. timing is important. we were going to in

on june 12, the white house announced the establishment of a cyber security sprint team comprised of omb, nsa, dod personnel to conduct a 30-day review of the federal government's cyber security policies, procedures, and practices. on a re-prioritized basis, we are deploying teams to assess the highest value systems across the federal/civilian government and hunt for and remove ever y adversary identified in the system. there is a great deal that has been done and is being done now to secure our networks. we do in fact block a large number of intrusions, including those by state actors. but we can and must do more. as i've said before, congress can help. by law, each head of the federal department or agency is primarily responsible for his or her own cyber security. the department of homeland security has overall responsibility for protecting federal civilian systems helping agencies better defend themselves, and providing response teams to assist agencies during significant incidents. national security systems such as those used by the military and intelligence community are secured by

we work closely with omb regarding how we can ask these questions and how we can report out on these questions just because they state -- the state collects the data, doesn't mean omb will support us collecting that data that way. but i think do there is a wealth of data, through other means not just through the data for collection of statistics reflecting that blacks, blacks from the african nation, for example, tend to score higher and the caribbean blacks as well. so there is a lot of information that tells us that we need to pay attention to the differentiations but we have to be careful about how we ask these questions. >> i appreciate your question. i think it is very important in terms of -- when the question to me makes me think about studies of immigrant students and generational status and the census has many data sets where you can begin to segregate between among whites blacks and biogenerational data sets an i would be happy to refer you to those groups and the answer is not to desegregate and to spend the money it is important to know where the gaps are. and i'll stop t

in the meantime the current chief performance officer at omb is going to take over as the new head at least temporarily of opm. >> all right, chris jansing at the white house live for us. chris thanks so much. >>> down and out. thousands of people cheering as south carolina's state police honor guard lowered the confederate flag for the last time outside the state capitol a few hours later the crews also removed the pole andite yorn fence surrounding it. many of the mary mony praised the removal of the civil war era banner while others say the move dishonors their history and ver damage. >> gives people an excuse to be mean anding you labor day today a totally different ballgame. >> hiding and tuck under a rug, so to speak isn't going to open a die log. >> setting a dent for the world to see that south carolina is bigger than what everyone else thinks of it. >> that flag will preserved in a nearby museum. for more perspective, here is craig melvin who grew up in south carolina. >> reporter: time has changed in south carolina. one could argue before the church massacre, there was a bit

half of all of the data requests how many have with the omb review? >> we will get you to that. >> fair enough. >> thank you very much mr. chairman. military consumer protection day. fittingly you should be here i will speak personally. one of the proper achievements of the affairs in your organization. thank you for all you are doing. the basic legal protection for these young americans because back to the civil war. enforcement is scattered about. the department of justice has several authority and action, banking regulators condoning collect. the enforcement is blacks and you pointed out last week when you get a report which indicated servicemembers continue to report difficulty obtaining there servicemembers civil relief act. going back a long time ago. prior existing debt and they are not getting. i have put legislation in as background. if congress were to enact this legislation how would they be equipped? >> i think it stands to reason that there are more cops on the beach to protect our troops in terms of potential abuses are problems and fina

she will be replaced by beth cobetter, a top official at omb. coverage starts next week. >> jim acosta thank you so much. >>> let's talk about the threat from isis and warnings that two commercial pilots may have fallen under the influence of the terror group. brian todd is looking into this what have you found? >> those two pilots are from indonesia. tonight the indonesian government is trying to obtain more information about them. given that isis has already commandeered fighter planes in syria and captured air fields analysts say there could be dangerous consequences if commercial pilots bring their skills into the terror group's fold. the 9/11 attacks. the germanwings crash. horrifying evidence of what can happen when the wrong person takes control of a commercial plane. tonight, new questions on whether isis has commercial pilots in its ranks. australian authorities ared about the potential radicalization of two indonesian commercial pilots according to an intelligence report believed to be from the australian federal police. the report say

taking a couple of steps for one president obama appointed beth cobert who was the deputy director at omb take over opm in the interim until president obama can appoint someone permanent. we know that the federal government is offering employees who may have had their information hacked three years of protection identity theft protection. other protections. they say at this point in time there is no indication that that information has been used for any nefarious reason. however, there is a lot of concern on both sides of pennsylvania avenue and you have some lawmakers including some democrats saying that the administration needs to do more that ultimately that protection should be in effect indefinitely. you also have republicans saying that this is too little too late. take a listen to what one republican had to say. >> one of the fundamental problems is are they are still feeding the beast, still putting really sensitive information into a system that we know is not secured. >> reporter: alex, that of course the chairman of the house oversight committee. let me read you what john boehn

you know, we appreciate what you're doing and i think you have been doing it out of the ccc and the omb has been supporting you and so that seems to be working. but apparently there are different endimty payments for high pass avian influenza versus lopan avian influenza. this goes back to when we did legislation when we had the lopath in virginia, i guess. so under the regulations, apparently egg layers are compensated for future egg production according to the lopath regulation, but the high path regulations are silent in that aspect. so the turkey folks, you know are wondering, you know, why they're not compensated for what would be the full cost of the bird kind of similar to what is happening with the egg production under the low path. and so are you looking at that? is there a way to bring consistency and constantsy to the situation? >> well the quick answer is we are looking at it. we recognize that there is a difference between low path and high path and there ought not to be. we also are taking a look at whether or not we could create some kind of more uniform system that would

it is a small agency that has been -- at omb, the secretary has fought to increase funding. he has not received any -- it has not received any attention. it tells you a lot about his priority and his concerns when he is fighting for an agency as small as the cftc. it is an example of the things that he has far for that do not get headlines and are important. we are lucky to have secretary lew. secretary lew: good afternoon. it is an honor to celebrate the act. chris dodd and barney frank's efforts led to the passing of comprehensive financial reforms. on behalf of everyone here, i want to thank them for their leadership, their vision, and their unrelenting determination. [applause] secretary lew: today, we mark the anniversary and i want to reflect on the progress we have made. i would like to begin by putting wall street reform in the context of the crisis. i see this is a key ingredient to the financial system. when obama took office, our country was in the depth of a financial crisis. our economy was contracting at the fastest rate in 50 years and companies were shedding

at omb sec. lew has fought for increased funding. it tells you a lot about his priorities and his concerns when he is on the front lines fighting for an agency as important as the cftc. it is one thing that does not get headlines, but it is very important. we are lucky to have him here today. here is secretary lew. sec. lew: thank you for the kind introduction and organizing this event. it is a pleasure to be here to mark the fifth anniversary of the dodd street -- on behalf of everyone here, i want to thank them for their leadership, their vision, and unrelenting determination. as we mark this anniversary, i want to reflect on the progress we have made. i would like to begin by putting wall street reform in the context of the crisis. when president obama took office, our country was in the worst financial crisis of our lifetime. our economy was contracting at the fastest rate in 50 years. companies were shedding 800,000 jobs a month. unemployment was at 10%. the automobile industry nearly collapsed. millions of families lost homes a

in terms of getting the rule to omb and soon thereafter having the rule out there as final. >> here is the last one from me. a lot of talk this week about car hacking as a result of wired 's a magazine report on that it. you can get control of steering and brakes support. i want to know your view of the legislation by the senators and what the department is doing on that subject. secretary foxx: look, this is a place where the government and the private sector have to be working closely together. we have urged the audio industry to develop a roundtable of sorts to focus in on issues like cyber security when it comes to these technologies. a lot of the technologies are proprietary in some respect. they are common issue the industry has to deal with. we found in other industries these collaborations are useful. we have offered to extend resources of our department to help that. we feel like this is an area where the government and the private industry are going to have to step up in a big way. we can't do it by ourselves. moderator: in the meantime, how concerned should they be about hac

. >> in the first place, what the omb has said congressional budget office rather run by a republicanieves in dynamic scoring is that the major discouragement to work is when people have health care they don't have to work to get health care, that is a good thing for society. people ought to be able to work if they want to. having health care is a useful thing. secondly, let's go back. you say everybody misspeaks. you said that's not what he meant. you changed that. that's what he misspoke. it's a basic difference of opinion. he wants people to work more hours. >> barney, you are being too tough on him. >> poor jeb bush. >> maybe he shouldn't run for president. >> i'll defend barney frank when you misspeak. we must change our government incentives so that it pays more after tax to work. >> let's raise the minimum wage. >> i don't think we are going to come to a meeting of the minds on this one. >> i can't stand the minimum wage. the main thing is grow the economy more. >> barney frank, larry kudlow. gentlemen -- >> don't talk about raising wages. >> we have to leave it there. apprecia

and the pieces of the legislation are coming in and tom scully was dick darman deputy over at omb comesver and says here's the section that childcare should be in and the provisions the president agreed on and wants are not in it. so i went to tom foley and i said after speaker these provisions are not into. the president has said he will veto this bill if they are not in it. he looks at me and me and i think he must have thought i was bluffing, and he says the president is not going to veto this bill after 18 or 20 months of negotiating. and it's important we will find something went and put on a bill coming down later. i said, mr. speaker, the president will veto this bill if it's not in a. now it's close to 3 a.m. he says well we are not going to change. i said mr. speaker, just a minute. i picked up the phone and i called the white house. the asher answered the phone but that i said could you please wake up the president. the president comes to the phone. i said tom foley doesn't with you will veto this bill if childcare the way you wanted is not a. he said can i speak to the speake

hopefully we will meet that deadline or come real close to it in terms of getting the rule over to ombnd, hopefully, soon thereafter having the rule out there as final. >> here's the last one from me, and then we'll go to my colleagues. a lot of talk this week about car hacking as a result of wired magazine's report on it, the entertainment systems in jeep cherokees and other chrysler products where you can get control of steering, brakes and transmission. wanted to know your view of the proposed legislation by senators markey and blumenthal and also where, what the department is doing on that subject. of hacking. >> look, this is a place where the government and the private sector have to be working very closely together. and we have urged the auto industry to develop a round table of sorts to focus in on issues like cybersecurity when it comes to these technologies. a lot of the technologies are proprietary in some respect but they're common issues that the industry has to deal with, and we have found in other industries that these types of collaborations are useful. and we've offere

last year, the omb estimated rules promulgated by the epa in that decade created between one of the $65 billion and $180 billion in benefits. that sounds like a good number. i really glad you're working on the clean power plant and reducing toxins in our air and water. so, so witnesses before this committee have offered the opinion that some of my colleagues they epa regulation should only be environmentally beneficial technology is widely available. other support is a long history of technology but coming available after the epa determined they are feasible. does regulation drive innovation and technology to reduce renewables? emphasizing the epa regulations in absence, not generally an incentive for widespread deployment. we tackled acid rain under the george bush administration. could you comment on the proposed rule to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from new power plants will incentivize new innovation? admin mccarthy: the clean air act was designed and tested tasks sections that were moving technology forward. technology spurring. the section we are regulating and the power place

challenge this -- and this puts some of my close friends in a bind because they have to get this through omb and the white house and i would challenge nih to come back and say give us some project so large and so exciting that it justifies a capital budget and let's go fight for the capital budget. >> sir thank you very much. mr. speaker, i feel like i'm standing or pitching low and slow over the plate. but i am very pleased to hear your answers. we have a gaping hole in the nih budget. right now it is $12.5 billion. we need a serious plan to fix it. and if we really want to dream big about what we can create then we need to get out here and fight for more funding for nih. i proposed a bill called the medical innovation act which would increase nih funding by 20% without raising taxes, without cutting critical programs and it doesn't have to go off budget. if there are other ideas folks should put them on the table but it is time to get this done. i think that it goes without saying that you and i have fundamental disagreements in some areas but it is clear that one thing we agree on is what

would challenge -- this puts some of my close friends in a bind, because they have to get this through omb and the white house, i would challenge nih to come back and say if you give us some projects so large and exciting, that they justify a capital budget and then let's fight for the capital budget. >> sir thank you very much. mr. speaker, i feel like i'm standing here pitching low and slow over the plate but i am very pleased to hear your answers. we have a gaping hole in the nih budget right now it's $12.5 billion, we need a serious plan to fix it if we really want to dream big about what we can tree ate, we need to get out here and fight for more funding for nih. i proposed a bill called the medical innovation act which would increase nih funding by 20%, without raising taxes without cutting critical programs, and it doesn't have to go off budget, if there are other ideas, folks should put them on the table it is time to get this done. i think it goes without saying that you and i have fundamental disagreements in some areas, it is clear that one thing we agree on is what congress mus

josh: there are a couple of omb initiatives that are charged with doing that. the first is what i think they are calling their cyber-sprint. this is the effort to rapidly reassess the cyber security at federal agencies across the administration. this is where they are considering offering -- authentication verification. this is where they're considering the privileged user thing i was talking about with julie, making sure they're limiting the number of privileged users and limiting the capability of those users where appropriate, monitoring activities of those privileged users to prevent this kind of thing from happening again. those kinds of commonsense steps are the kinds of things the o.m.b. is leading a review to determine where those kinds of steps have not yet been implemented and holding agencies accountable for implementing them in short order. there's also a broader, 90-day report being convened by o.m.b. again the department -- the director of national and -- intelligence and the office of personnel management are involved in the broader, 90-kay revie

if you don't except the assessment, then how about the former head of omb's office, he reviewed the ozone reconsideration in 2011 and helped prevent that proposal from being finalized because it was too costly. here's what i said about this and i quote but on some of the agency's estimates of the 2011 ozone proposal, the net benefits would have been zero. moreover, a strong majority of the benefits would have resulted not from ozone reductions but from co-benefit reductions in particular yat matter which come as a benefit of technology. so, this prompts a number of questions. first, can you explain to me and our committee the epa's legal justification for engaging in this kind of double counting? how is it that you can justify a lower ozone standard using benefits from an entirely different pollutant? >> well that's not double -- >> that's not science. that's a shell game. that's what that is. that's not science. >> that's not double counting, those benefits are real. >> but that's not what this rule -- this rule is supposed to be going after ozone not particulate matter. >> but it's havi

hopefully we will meet that deadline or come real close to it in terms of getting the rule over to omb and, hopefully, soon thereafter having the rule out there as final. >> here's the last one from me, and then we'll go to my colleagues. a lot of talk this week about car hacking as a result of wired magazine's report on it, the entertainment systems in jeep cherokees and other chrysler products where you can get control of steering, brakes and transmission. wanted to know your view of the proposed legislation by senators markey and blumenthal and also where, what the department is doing on that subject. of hacking. >> look, this is a place where the government and the private sector have to be working very closely together. and we have urged the auto industry to develop a round table of sorts to focus in on issues like cybersecurity when it comes to these technologies. a lot of the technologies are proprietary in some respect but they're common issues that the industry has to deal with, and we have found in other industries that these types of collaborations are useful. and we've offe

. >> but i do think on balance that the central bank and the omb and the congressional budget office and the world bank and the imf said we were on balance makes politicians, not all but some, unwilling to sign up for a very tough choice. this is not to suggest as some of my friends would that there's no role for central banks. there's a powerful role for central banks. and this may be unpopular in the room it's a powerful role but it's a pharaoh central bank. after seven years of chronically missing its forecast maybe a little burden sharing would be in order. if the politicians take us up on it, that would be a wonderful thing. and if dough-the-don't, it would still be a good thing because the truth is when i jond the federal reserve, around the time chairman bernanke did and don had been there for a long time the central bank had a lot -- i worry that we can single handedly do this by ourselves and i'd just assume we'd try to crowd in some other good policies. >> how does this look to you, john, from outside the united states? >> i think it's very difficult to get this coordinatio

we thought we could use unspent money from previous years to do it, and we got legal opinions and omb opinions -- >> is there unspent money from previous years? >> yes, sir. anytime you have budget line items over 70 where you are inflexible in moving money from one budget line item to another, you will have unspent money. one way to rid the government of unspent money -- that's the way businesses do it. >> so in the last five years, and as those obligations are expensed the obligations -- there are funds that get deobligated, and those funds sit in the treasury. >> how much is there? >> for about the last five years, there is $1.3 billion. >> i had another question about maybe third party reimbursement for nonservice connected care, and i have heard that is an issue that the collections are not what they should be. can you give me a situation update with that? >> i think -- so our collections this year are actually up significantly. i have not refreshed that number in my head and i think it's about 7% higher than we anticipated, and we are working hard to improve the collections. a l

out of all of the data requests you made how many have avoided the omb review? >> today is military protection day. fitting you should be here. one of the prouder achievements is in the service of member affairs which is in your organization led by holly petraeus. so thank you for all you're doing to help protect our servicemen and women. the basic legal protection for these young americans and service members goes back to the civil war. enforcement is scattered about. they have civil authority civil action banking regulation. but the enforcement is really lax. you pointed out last week when you did a report which indicated that service members continue to report difficult obtaining their service members and civil relief protection of 6% on loans. the lower going back a long time ago. if you get anything in the arms services is 6%. and i have put legislation in to give authority for enforcement to see if there is background. if congress were to enact this legislation, how would the cfpb be better equipped to protect them from social harm? >> if there are more co

last year the omb estimated that rules promulgated by the epa between 2003 and 2013, that deck raid created between $165 billion in benefits at a cost of $38 billion to $46 billion. that sounds like a pretty good number to me. and i'm glad that you're working on the clean power plant and reducing toxins in our air and water on behalf of not only my constituents, but americans. so some witnesses before this committee offered some opinion that's epa regulations should only be set if environmentally beneficial technology is widely commercially available. but others have pointed to a long history of technologyies becoming available after the epa determines that they're feasible. does the regulation drive the innovation and the technology to reduce costs, for example, of renewables? so emphasizing that the epa regulations spur innovation, in the absence there is not generally a financial incentive for widespread deployment. so we saw this when we tackled acid rain under the george h.w. bush administration. can you comment on the view of the epa regulations such as the clean power plan or propose

we thought we could use unspent money from previous years to do it, and we got legal opinions and omb opinions -- >> is there unspent money from previous years? >> yes, sir. anytime you have budget line items over 70 where you are inflexible in moving money from one budget line item to another you will have unspent money. one way to rid the government of unspent money -- that's the way businesses do it. >> so in the last five years and as those obligations are expensed the obligations -- there are funds that get deobligated, and those funds sit in the treasury. >> how much is there? >> for about the last five years, there is $1.3 billion. >> i had another question about maybe third party reimbursement for nonservice connected care, and i have heard that is an issue that the collections are not what they should be. can you give me a situation update with that? >> i think -- so our collections this year are actually up significantly. i have not refreshed that number in my head and i think it's about 7% higher than we anticipated, and we are working hard to improve the collections. a lot

i think the national debt i was omb director with a surplus, i believe in having a fiscal policy that lasts for the long, long term. i think if you look at what we inherited, the stability we now have is a world of improvement and there's still work to do -- >> mr. secretary, the question is the debt itself. which in 2008 then president obama referred to as a $10 trillion national debt is unpatriotic and immoral. today there's a debt clock, it's right above us at the hearing. $18 trillion, 159 billion -- >> but -- >> it's going up a million dollars a minute. >> it has come down. >> is it a good story? >> it is a good story. the deficit has come down as a percentage of gdp faster. >> the deficit started coming down, new administration, new speaker that took office in january of 2011. and because of fiscal restraint in federal spending and growth of the economy that annual operating deficit is coming down. but it's not zero yet and the national debt continues to rise. is that a good story? >> i don't think it would be good for our economy if we were to have a balanced budget today. righ