first the omb is still very much a deficit hawk. they worked very hard from the budget introduction on to keep the lower. i think with the presidents approval, butand you got the big spenders, particularly and the senate, the appropriate on the republican side are happy to spend large amounts. they think it's good politics and you don't mind it some of the money goes to democratic causes and some goes to theirs. you also have a complicating dynamic going on among republicans right now where defense hawks have basically made a deal for about five years now with the democrats. if you let us increased defense spendingng when we think it shod be, we will sign on to your domestic spending basically let you decide whether goes andle wt it's for. that second halfer cuts against everything they campaigned on, reducing welfare, reducing the size of government. but the goal of having a strong robust defense department lets them trump that an and sign upr the big spending bills. >> host: as you business, by david mcintosh looking at theci numb

guest: we have briefed omb over the last couple years on our work. we have briefed members of congress and u.s. senators on our work. because of our work federal legislation -- one in the house and one in the senate now. would bringouse transparency for the first time ever for the roughly 100 billion dollars worth of federal bonuses paid out to the federal workforce every year. now all of those bonuses are hated. on this program, we broke our oversight report on $100 billion spent in the human spending spree in september 2018 in the last month of the fiscal year. year, last week of the one out of every 10 contracts final week. that joni ernst has written a piece of legislation. she will attach it to the budget onl that would prevent that a go forward basis. this is the kind of access and influence our organization is having. host: did you talk to senator ernst directly? guest: i have only communicated with her staff. we cooperative and op-ed published in the washington examiner on this issue. guest: another piece of data -- data youther piece of keep

the omb is a deficit hawk. they work very hard to try to keep that lower. i kind of think with the presidents encouragement and approval. but you've got the big spenders, particularly in the senate, the appropriators on the republican side, are happy to spend larger amounts. they think it's good politics and they don't mind if some of the money goes to democratic causes and some don't. you also have a complicated dynamic among republicans right now, where defense talks have basically made a deal for about five years now with the democrats. if you let us increase the defense spending where we think it should be, we'll sign on to your domestic spending, let you decide where that goes and what it's for. that second-half cuts against everything they campaigned on, a strong, robust defense department, let's them trump that and sign up for spending goals. >> you guys have since refashioned yourself as a what tools does the president have left in his toolbox after already cutting taxes and regulations, we have seen a decrease in interest rates? we have seen defici

they had a requirement for doing this by july and reporting out to omb with a selected august 2. when i last checked this, there were about four agencies that still had not done but most of them had and that's significant amount of progress. you have agencies paying attention to what data they are releasing but also to what data they collect and how they manage it through the entire lifecycle. >> host: so the purpose of the open the government data act is? >> guest: its to make government gave a payable for use by the public, by corporations, but individuals, for innovation and other purposes. it is also required agencies to be strategic and how they manage it. >> host: the other half of that is the data they collect. >> guest: that's right. >> host: what are they collecting about us, what do federal agencies know about it? >> guest: the open data company act applies to all government data whether it is the weather data, corporate data or individual data. if it's individual data, personally identifiable, they're likely not going to be releasing it but they are going to track it.

they had a requirement to do this by july and they are reporting omb who they selected by august two. when i last checked this there were about four agencies still have not done it but most of them had and that's a significant amount of -- because they been paid attention to what day that they are releasing but also paid attention to what they collect and manage it and that's a big improvement for everyone. >> host: the purpose of the government government dated act is -- >> guest: to make data available for use by the public and corporations and individuals for innovation of purposes. it would require agencies to be strategic and how they manage. >> host: the other half of that is the data they collect. >> guest: that's right. >> host: what are they collecting about us? what do they know about us? >> guest: open government did act, all government data whether whether data or corporate data or individuals if it's individual data is personal identifiable they are likely not going to be releasing it but they have to crack it. different agencies do different things. some collect everythi

are developing initiatives, we have a program plan and put that before congress and goes before the omb this coming year. we are hiring an assistant director for 5g, that is one where others outside ourselves felt this was sufficiently important and it has become a big deal. >> explain briefly what it is you are funding for 5g? what is it you are most concerned about? >> broadly speaking we are aware telecommunications initiatives far outstripped everything we can do and would want to do in dod we are struggling to become the flea on the tail of the telecom's dog, this is a multibillion-dollar worldwide industry. we have national security needs to the extent to see the competitive environment or encourage it to growing directions relevant to us, we want to do that. how can we help? when we talk about 5g we talk about greatly increased bandwidth and we talk about then enormously expanded number of touch points, the so-called internet of things where everything is connected to the net in one way or another. dod has cases for that but just abound. smart ports, smart airports, smart depots,

it's an internal omb report that says over the lifetime of the storm, of maria.her words, 10 years out, 20 years out it could on the outside get to $92 million. that is not what congress has sent. >> it's not even what congress has appropriated. >> i understand. but sometimes people think out of thin air. >> he knows. >> that's the origin of that. >> he knows this isn't true. it's been out for a long time. he has to know at this point. if he doesn't, someone needs to tell him. the mayor of san juan in puerto rico said this overnight. >> his behavior, his lack of understanding, and it is ludicrous. 3,000 puerto ricans did not open their eyes this morning because this racist man did not have it within him to cohdo his job. so get out of the way, president trump, and let me people that can do the job get the job done. >> want to bring in joe lockhart, elena plot, and john avalon. let me read the tweet from the president again. he lied about the amount $92 billion. he said it's an all-time record high for anywhere. and the point is, john, what message is he trying to

deficit has widened to $867 billion just in this first half ois the eryear, so that means according to omb for the fiscal year. do you remember when the president said he would eliminate the deficit. talk about that what that means for americans. >> it was a promise. i thought it was something he could not not achieve, but i didn't think we would get larger deficits. what does that mean going forward as this economy begins to weaken and doesn't perform nearly as well and i think we should expect lots of red ink going forward. you know, it's one of these things corrosive on the economy. it doesn't mean a lot in a given day, week, month, or year but it's going to be a problem for economic growth. it's kind of like climate change, right? because we can't connect the dots today we're not doing anything about it. this is the same with the deficit. >> the question is how much do you care with what we're leaving our kids? it's not just the president's policies and tax cuts but also the spending bill passed by democrats and republicans. september 1st people are going to come back from summer vacat

to get to 92 billion, the president is including an omb estimate that an additional 50 billion would be needed over the life of the recovery, but it is not money approved by congress. president trump also found himself under attack over plans to reprogram money from fema's disaster relief fund to address the border crisis. as part of a $271 million shuffle, dhs would use 155 million of fema money to pay for temporary immigration facilities on the southern border. another $116 million will be taken from other agencies to pay for more single adult detention beds. democrats work quick to condemn the move. in a statement, house speaker nancy pelosi saying "to pick the pockets of disaster relief fund in order to fund an appalling, inhumane family incarceration plan a staggering introduce on the eve of hurricane season is stunningly reckless." white house officials pushed back just as hard. >> that's hysteria and the reality is that this is something republican and democrat administrations do constantly, to reap program. >> in fact, president obama to the same thing in august of 2014, shif

the state rep we just heard from who went to the united states congress, who becomes omb director under president trump's presidency and now is white house chief of staff, mick mulvaney, from this room. [applause] chad: and finally we've got lindsey graham, who served in the state house, goes on to be part of the impeachment group when president hunton was impeached, --clinton was impeached, now sits in the powerful seat of the united states judiciary committee, affirming and confirming president trump's judges. [applause] chad: that's all out of this room as south carolina republicans. now is not the time to rest on our laurels. the sherman says we are at -- chairman says we are at 406 members of the elephant committee. if you like what south carolina has going on, if you like the policies coming out of here, if you like the success under henry mcmaster's leadership, help us keep this going. i was on a flight trying to get the president elected, i was getting upgraded to first class. he gotto a guy, upgraded too, hey, you are from south carolina. i love your state, it is fantastic. i d

have a total of 5245 pages almost none responsive to the direct request we made. 461 from opm, 64 from omb but to the point you just made we asked for -- tell us, cite the legal authority that you say you have to go forward. that's it redacted. the reference the legal authority makes to the meeting they had on the rationale, also redacted. now, how the committee can do an inquiry as dispassion italy for people to make up their own minds when -- that's called responsive. that's part of that just voluminous 400 pages that they broke sweats over to give us, i think any reasonable member of congress can look at that and realize. >> we have a problem. >> we have a problem. >> i thank the gentleman. >> thank you, mr. chairman. and your point is right in line with what the concern is mr. billy. you are not doing your job. there is a stall. it does not take multiple people to get 400 pages, particularly -- or 500 whatever it is particularly when those pages are filled with redactions to questions that have no reason to be redacted. what is the legal basis for redacting basic answers to questions?

congressman, i would say that that is being factored in to the request we've just met recently with ombnow the requirements and i will keep you updated with how it goes. >> thank you, admiral. i yield back the rest of my time, chair lady thank you. >> mr. phillips? >> thank you, madame chair. my district, minnesota's third district is home to one of the largest liberian communities in the country, as you might know. and in 2014, 2015, of course, ebola hit their country, and one of my extraordinary staffers in minnesota is a liberian and her husband patrick is one of the very first americans to actually die of ebola. so i dedicate my questions today in his memory. and it is sometimes difficult to connect foreign affairs of course to dinner tables in america, but there is no question that if we don't help african nations stem the tide of ebola, it surely will appear on our doorsteps. i'm grateful to both of you for the extraordinary work you do. i believe the chairwoman asked some similar questions earlier. my first question is about the distrust of international workers in the drc. some

growth the white house weighs different ways to fight a possible slump jim nussle er omb director underdent george w. bush jim, anything surprises that came out today >> at least as i looked at it, there wasn't that much that was surprising it's also not surprises there would be nothing surprises cbo tends to be a right down the middle sort of forecaster. they take the consensus of the economics. there was no surprise that most are in consensus there would be a recession probably by the end of 2021. so there's no surprise there it adding up the deficit, no surprise that the deficit is exploding, almost to a trillion dollars, and we've added a lot of definite at this time spending since the passage of the tax bill as well as the budget deal this last month. i think the one surprise or the one i hope the white house pays attention to as well is -- you asked what can the white house do there's also a what should the white house not do i think the strong signal from cbo, as well as a number of other indicators, is quit put ago drag on trade. that is really the drag that's out there that wil

guest: we have briefed omb over the last couple years on our work.have briefed members of congress and u.s. senators on our work. because of our work federal legislation -- one in the house and one in the senate now. would bringouse transparency for the first time ever for the roughly 100 billion dollars worth of federal bonuses paid out to the federal workforce every year. now all of those bonuses are hated. on this program, we broke our oversight report on $100 billion spent in the human spending spree in september 2018 in the last month of the fiscal year. year, last week of the one out of every 10 contracts final week. that joni ernst has written a piece of legislation. she will attach it to the budget onl that would prevent that a go forward basis. this is the kind of access and influence our organization is having. host: did you talk to senator ernst directly? guest: i have only communicated with her staff. we cooperative and op-ed published in the washington examiner on this issue. guest: another piece of data -- data youther piece of keep tra

that's a little complicated but partly because omb does not want to put itself on record but i want to ask could you give us an idea of what the cost of this programming might look like going forward for each of your agencies. [inaudible] thank you. >> so, i can't give you the specifics but that said i will say around security cdc and usaid works closely together. our leads probably call or talk to each other every day. on the ground the plan that were talked about earlier are done jointly. it's in response to evaluations of the work u.s. government will do in any given country is planned out so sorting out who's doing what to make sure there's not [inaudible] it's really important so that will build on the work we've been doing shortly together as well. in terms of future financing global health security is a priority for the administration and certainly in the 2020 request there is funding for usaid and cdc as well and that reflects what needs to happen. on the financing what it costs today given -- but this is where we do need to work through countries to step up and you can't just

i know that's a little complicated only because omb doesn't want to put itself on the record. i want to ask, can you give us an idea of what the cost of this programming might look like going forward for each of your agencies. the drc and other countries, et cetera. >> i can give you specifics on that. i around global health security, they been working really closely together from the beginning. they talk to each other probably everyday. certainly on the ground, the plans that we were talked about earlier are doing jointly in response to the joint evaluations. the work that the us government is going to do in any given country. as planned out between the two agencies. sorting out who is going to be doing what and his taking the lead. that there is no duplication or what the government can do. it's really important to put this together and build on this kind of work that we've been doing jointly together. in terms of future financing, this global health security is a priority for the administration and has been for the us government. certainly in the 2020 request, there is incr

recommendation number one would require omb to summarize the us budget. when i reviewed this i didn't know there was a hill proposal to do this but the gao would convince it. government accountability office under the comptroller general would be assigned to do it and the governmental office would be the one who performs it which is good because i was going to say i think the office of management and budget was the place to do this. i've seen attempts to map out programs for nuclear security, none of those were pretty. i think it would be great where the work was being performed and all the funding is going and i don't think the office of management and budget is the right agency to do it, but the first report is most important. that is where you will catalog where these activities are taking place and difficult to replicate on a yearly basis. it will take a lot of work and you have to define it carefully. after 9/11, when national counterterrorism center was set up, the war on terror, we love acronyms, national implementation plan became the net. all the

no, they wanted someone from omb. make no mistake, this isn't about serious congressional oversight. this hearing is about trying to manufacture a controversy based on anonymous sources and news reports. this hearing is just another attack on president trump, and it's disappointing. we could have had a productive discussion today about real health care policy. hopefully we can still do some of that. i hope we can. i know that's what our side is going to try to do. could have had a real discussion of how to make health care more competitive, more transparent, more cost effective and with better quality of care. i hope at some point this committee will stop its relentless political attacks, and makes a real difference in the lives of our constituents. again, i want to thank our witnesses coming here to tell your story but i think the country deserves something better. than the lies we were told. anyone remember the name, jonathan gruber? remember that name? "the new york times" called him the architect, the architect, o

that is a little complicated part because omb doesn't want to put itself on record, but i want to ask, could you give us an idea of what the cost of this program might look like going forward for each of your agency's, the drc, et cetera? thank you. >> i actually can do the specifics on the working group. that said, i will seven global health security cdc and use it he had been working closely together from the very beginning where our leads talk to each other probably every day, and on the ground the plans that were talked about earlier are done jointly come in response to the joint evaluations, the work that u.s. government is going to do in any given country is planned up jointly between the two agencies. so sorting out who's going to be doing what, who's taking leak which vary to make sure there's not duplication or what the u.s. government can do on a cat. it's really important so we will build on the work we've been doing jointly together as well. in terms of future financing, global health security is a priority for the administration and has been for the us government, and cer

the omb is still very much a deficit farm. they work very hard to keep that lower. think with the president's encouragement and improved -- and approval. ,ou have the big spenders particularly in the senate, the appropriators on the republican side are happy to spend larger amounts. they think it is good politics and they don't mind that some of the money goes to democratic causes and some of it goes to theirs. you also have a complicating dynamic among republicans right now where defense hawks have basically made a deal for about five years now with the democrats. if you let us increase the defense spending to where we think it should be, we will sign on to your domestic spending and basically let you decide where that goes and what it's for. that second-half cuts against everything they campaigned on, reducing welfare, the size of government but their goal of having a strong robust defense department lets them trump that and sign up for these big spending bills. host: as you hear those comments by david mcintosh, the u.s. trillion,ebt at $22.5 the cost per taxpaye

that was under the director of omb cp at the time and that underscored a market shift, national policy away from the rhetoric of the war on drugs to broader public health approach. in some ways we have gone from the war on drugs to the war on the war on drugs. we should also remember the war on drugs when declared in the 70s also marked a national federal effort forging new ground in terms of treatment and prevention and recovery. the national institute of alcohol abuse and the national institute of drug abuse founded in 1974. as a result, of all the research over the last 50 years we learned a lot about addiction both in terms of cause and controllability and genetics and genomics and we understand now that just like other complex illnesses or complex disorders from which people can suffer substance abuse disorder is a genetic disorder. that is very clear. it resulted from the research and funding supporting that research. we also in terms of cause and controllability, two factors associated with stigma, we understand from what neuroscience findings in the last 50 years particularly t

but, no, they wanted someone from omb. this is about trying to manufacture a controversy based anonymous sources and news reports. this hearing is just another on president trump and it's disappointing. we could have had a productive about realtoday healthcare policy. hopefully we can still do some of that. i hope we can. our side is going to try to do. we could have had a real discussion about making more competitive, transparent and cost effective with better quality of care. some point this committee will stop relentless political attacks on the administration and focus on makes ag that difference in the lives of our constituents and i thank our witnesses for coming here to tell your story. country deserves something better than the lies we were told. namee remember the jonathan gruber? remember that name? "new york times" called aim the architect of the affordable care guy who was the caught on tapes a few years later, remember, calling us all stupid, calling americans stupid for buying the lies that the obama administ

first, the omb is still very much a deficit hawk. from the very hard budget's introduction on to try to keep that lower and i think with the president's encouragement and approval, but you got the big spenders, particularly in the senate, the appropriators on the republican side, who are happy to spend large amounts. they think it is good politics, and they don't mind if some of the money goes to democratic causes and some of it goes to theirs. you also have a complicating dynamic going on among republicans right now where defense hawks have basically made a deal for about five years you let democrats, if us increase the defense spending ,o where we think it should be we will basically let you decide where the domestic spending goes . the second half goes against everything they campaigned on, producing welfare, reducing the size of government, but their goal of having a strong, robust defense department lets them trump that and sign up for these spending bills. see the entire interview at 10:00 a.m. and 6:00 p.m. on c-span. you can