in addition related to my role at omb i lead a resource management organization. to that end it was my job that taxpayer money was spent efficiently and economically with the oversight role of the government. i'm proud of the work that i did so thank you for that opportunity to respond. >> mr. miller i appreciate your conversation with me earlier. i wish it was in person but we've been doing these long-distance. i think it's important not only are you in a position of a criminal nature but to make sure they run as efficiently as possible that congress set out in the first place. part of that is immediate feedback members of congress get that and senator menendez was talking about if you take a phone call from the white house do you take it from a member of the senate is looking at ways to make things better or if certain parts were offered the way they were supposed to? do take that phone call from a member of the senate what do you do to make it so we can participate in oversight activities? >> this is such an important program it so important it gets to the righ

note that the tweet was meant to alert omb.want to be very careful as we sent trillions of dollars to states. the president himself voted by mail a few months ago. there are several republican states that are also doing these applications for ballots. i'm confused. what is it that he thinks is a legal that is happening in michigan? >> with regards to the president doing a mail-in vote, the president.s the he's here in washington and end able to cast his vote in florida. for him, that's why he had to do a mail-in vote. he supports mail-in voting for a reason. when you have a reason that you are unable to be present, right now, we are far from november 3. i'm glad you have the prediction tool. i certainly don't notice the president. >> [inaudible] you care about fairness and accuracy in our elections. do you not? >> of course i do. there's no evidence -- >> there is evidence. you can look this up on pro-public up. there was a bipartisan consensus that mass mailing voting can lead to frog. there was a 2005 commission by president

requiring the omb to streamline grant making between the agencies so there's needed accountability and transparency when it comes to tracking the billions of dollars of taxpayer funds in grant money that's being distributed. we've work closely with nfs, departments and others on legislation and they agree this is important. and it allows the state department to deny visas to those seeking to access u.s. research when there's threat to our economic or national security. this may surprise you, but they can't do that now. career foreign service officers, employees of the state department, have begged us for that authority. our bill also requires research institutions to have safeguards in place to prohibit unauthorized access to sensitive research because we found that to be a serious problem. and our bill transparency, requiring them to report any foreign gift of $50,000 or more and empowering the department of education to fine universities that repeatedly fail to disclose these gifts. right now our number one priority is and should be solving the coronavirus crisis. and i get that. and

i did say under your leadership that omb approved rules that civil lights rights leaders described as being problematic. you said you and enforce the fair housing act, but housing think whatleaders, you did is compromising that. that is concerning. these rules would be devastating to millions of people, especially people of color. how do i square your work with omb with your comments today that you plan to help so many of the same people? >> senator, i appreciate your question. i can to everything enforce the nation's fair housing laws and find housing discrimination completely unacceptable. spends a lot of time investigating fair housing complaints. it has an office that is dedicated to investigating and enforcing the nation's fair housing laws. would do what i can to support those efforts. >> i appreciate that. i take you at your word. thinking you will do this because at omb you did the opposite, according to people i trust on these issues, including civil rights and housing advocates. is setting more in concrete, discrimination. thank you and good luck to you. a follow-up on an ea

. >> the head of the omb, former chief of staff, acting chief of staff mick mulvaney, had this to say about the number of flu cases. i wanted to see if you could fact check this. i will play it for you now. >> i think we lost respective on this a little bit, joe, and overreacting a little bit. keep in mind 2 1/2 years ago something shy of 100,000 people died of the ordinary flu. that's not to say covid is the ordinary flu. that's not my point. but just a few years ago 100,000 people died and the country didn't shut down. it's time to deal with this in the proper perspective, and that is models to get back to work safely. >> first of all, the comparison to the, quote, ordinary flu. second of all, the number of 100,000. one can become numb to numbers. "the new york times" did a wonderful service by showing a thousand people's names and brief biographies would look like over the weekend on the sunday paper. but 100,000 for the flu a few years ago? >> sure. and maybe just to give it more of a fact check, as you mentioned, one of the highest years of cases we had in influenza over the past

we have been working very diligently as you know with the irs, department of treasury and the omb tonsure we can guess this rules out. it's our understanding that it is forthcoming and we are looking forward to the release. >> with the institutions like the university of north dakota environmental research center do you think those are important tools for you to continue to develop carbon capture sequestration and do you support them. there is research that can be done with the project and the energy environment research. we have the formations and the worked together to are you concerned about early closure of these assets and the impact that it will have on the liability and recently in madrid and what are some of the things you think we can and should do to address it lacks >> thank you for that question. indeed, we are concerned about the premature closing of the baseline units some inequities in the market formation in certain isos around the country and so we've been working in support of that to get the policies in place to be sure the actual cost of providing electricity is i

so acting omb director will present details on this effort, and we will go into that.ross has done a great job on exactly what, he is to come into my office and say i think we can cut a lot of different things in terms of regulation. and i think also very importantly, will have a better product. it's going to give us a better result. and we are adhering to environmental impact studies that all of the other things we have to do to get these permits. so thank you very much. i want to once again thank every member of that cabinet for your commitment to helping our nation to reopen, to recover and rebuild. i'd like to now ask a man who's done a fantastic job as the head of the task force, he's worked literally 24 hours a day sometimes to make sure everything was gone well. today, we had a really great article by rich lowry who talked about the tremendous job that we've done in terms of the task force, in terms of the coronavirus and getting things going and getting people what they need whether it's ventilators, testing, or many other things, and i appreciated that article

ghtive omb director russ vou will present details on this effort. office to come into my cut ay, i think we can lot of different things in terms of regulation. .e will have a better product we are looking at the environmental impact studies. thank you very much. i want to once again thank you every other member of the cabinet and your commitment to help our nation recover, rebuild. i want to now ask a man who has done a fantastic job as the head of the task force. he has worked i think literally 24 hours a day sometimes to make sure things go well. we had a really great article by rich lowry, which talked about the tremendous job we have done in terms of the task force, the coronavirus, getting things they need whether it is coronavirus testing or other things. i appreciated that article very much. there has been a very false narrative. people have no idea what an incredible job people at federal government have done. that includes generals and admirals. i want to thank mike pence for the great job you have done, and please say a few words. presiden

acting omb director russ vought will present details on this effort. we will going to that so russ has done a great job. he used to come into my office and say, i think we can cut a lot of different things in terms of regulation. russ, i think also very importantly, we will have a better product. it will give us a better result. we are here -- adhering to the environmental impact studies and all the other things we have to do to get these. russ, thank you very much. i want to once again thank you -- thank you remember of the cabinet for our commitment to reopen our nation and rebuild. i want to now ask a man who has done a fantastic job as the head of the task force. he has worked i think literally 24 hours a day sometimes to make sure things go well. today, we had a really great article by rich lowry, which talked about the tremendous job we have done in terms of the task force, the coronavirus, and getting things going and getting people what they need whether it is ventilators, testing or many other things. i appreciated that article very much. ther

acting omb director, soon to be permanent director, where's russ? did you hear what i said, soon to be permanent director? okay? that's a big statement. some people would say that's big news. he's done a fantastic job. so congratulations. but we have to get him approved. we will give you a congratulations just prior to approval, right? so you're doing great. thank you very much. so acting omb director russ vought will present details on this effort and we will go into that. so russ has done a great job on exactly what -- he used to come into my office and say i think we can cut a lot of different things in terms of regulation and russ, i think also very importantly, we'll have a better product that's actually going to give us a better result and we're adhering to environmental -- the environmental impact studies and all of the other things we have to do to get these permits. so russ vought, thank you very much. i want to once again thank every member of the cabinet for your commitment in helping our nation reopen, to recover and rebuild. i would lik

that's why the bill requires the federal office of management and budget, omb to streamline and coordinate between the agencies to ensure that the billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars going towards research every year can be accounted for every step of the way. having this information is also going to save time and money for our research institutions and our universities. they'll know now where the funding is, where it's going. how it's being used. third, the state department is on the front lines here in vetting visa applications for visiting scholars and visiting students, but it is not permitted to deny a visit to individuals coming from overseas who are intent on stealing u.s. research. that's just wrong. our research enterprise in this country must remain open, we agree with that, we want to attract people from around the world, of course, but we've got to have common sense safeguards to prevent bad actors from taking advantage. this does that. denying visas to foreign researchers seeking sensitive research when doing so is a threat to our economic or to our national security. the

we had to go through the omb process. it was designed during a time when we were very much paper-based. it essentially has been overcome by events. any veteran can provide any medical information. the dbq is in some ways becoming irrelevant for this situation and was a real source of fraud that we were working on. >> were you working with the bso? : absolutely. it is perplexing that after the fact, after we worked with them, they understood the situation. it troubles us to see what has happened with this. again, the public facing nature of it prevented us from being able to change it as things were changing, but again, they are all aware, they have access to our systems as you know with being able to see veterans records. we welcome all information from their private providers. that has never been the issue. it has been this form that has been it's been causing additional problems. >> whatever i can do to get everybody on the same page. >> sure, i welcome that. >> like many members of congress, we rely on our boots on the

. >> how do you address the irony that mick mulvaney office of omb suggested on food stamps instead of making them relatively unrestricted but shift them back to meals? >> is this the wrong direction? >> i agree i do think that would be a move in the wrong direction. ironically that kind of outlook to drive somebody do a box meal rather than providing with cash is a paternalistic view of government which ironically on the right and those to be skeptical of a very long time. and then what to spend money on and the cynical moves to the work requirements and they are at the pattern of economic thinking coming from this administration which is more focused on doubling down trickle-down economic which have created record profits companies keeping median wages flat instead of working on that problem there doubling down on that theory and the stock market is near record highs. and it is my view that me feel good to some in the short term that bubble will burst the idea to cut rates for corporations and specifically what we should be eating that seems fundamentally out of line where the countr

the group of people that makes that decision includes the treasury secretary and the omb director. the only thing i can say, i remember when president obama's team came in. they received a lot of unfair criticism because their budget had to finalize the economic forecast late in the year like maybe december and then the budget came out months later -- let me finish. >> we're talking about the trump administration and the -- >> you're not letting me finish, come on. i know -- what i'm saying, a high uncertainty like the great depression, there's uncertainty about the number and this number would have had to have been buttoned down weeks and weeks ago when there was an enormous amount of certainty about where the economy is going to go, and so i think there will be more news to come out about that, but right now, if you go back weeks, and then think about what is the economy going to look like in july, there's just an enormous amount of uncertainty about that. we look at a second quarter that's likely to be the biggest decline since world war ii and the third quarter about to be the

. >> how do you address the irony mick mulvaney omb suggested and with that relatively unrestricted to shift people back to meals? >> is this the wrong direction? >> i agree. that would be a move the wrong direction ironically that kind of outlook that would drive somebody is that paternalistic view of government people on the libertarian right have been skeptical for a long time. and then to tell people or even to the benefits to work requirements to throw people off of the roles is the wrong direction but as part of the pattern that's part of the economic thinking that is more focused on doubling down and trickle-down economics which the past 40 years have created record profits for companies. that kept union wages flat. the cost of living has increased. and the near record highs. met me feel good you son in the short term but it is a sugar high. and just found the ethical perspective the idea and then what they should be eating that just seems fundamentally out of line politically and those long-term values. and the freedom and the responsibility we all have to ensure that no one in

the role of omb director and someone with the experience you're pointing out at perdue. >> next timee'll get back to talking about north korea. >> indeed. we will indeed. >>> i also want to talk about the states that have been hardest hit by covid-19. a plan to fund those states is co-sponsored by new jersey representative that joins me next. joins me next robinhood believes now is the time to do money. without the commission fees. so, you can start investing today wherever you are - even hanging with your dog. so, what are you waiting for? download now and get your first stock on us. robinhood. your graduation may look different... but it does not change how far you've come... or how far you'll go. congratulations, class of 2020! >>> the coronavirus pandemic has ravaged state budgets across the country with revenues plummeting, as local economies grind to a halt. look at the snapshot showing state tax revenue in april this year compared to last year. governors are now warning of drastic cuts, layoffs for teachers, first responders. but mitch mcconnell and president trump both are sa

he's one of three acting members of the current trump cabinet including homeland security and omb.last week grenell's intended replacement sat down for the first social distancing senate hearing ahead of his confirmation vote. you might remember ratcliffe from his attacks on robert mueller his accusations "it does appear there were crimes committed during the obama administration." statements like this. >> is it ever okay to invite a foreign government to become involved in an election involving a political opponent? the answer is yes. >> the first time trump nominated ratcliffe he withdrew after evidence he'd embellished his law enforcement record and concerns he was too qualified for the position and he's back promising senators he would be apolitical and tell the unvarnished truth. you don't just believe what the nominee says. you look at what they've done. once confirmed the only person who can remove him is the president. trump's son-in-law's jared kushner's attempts to use volunteer loyalists to procure ppes president effort to bypass the process went as well as his mideast p

voght, head of omb, about his concerns with trillions of dollars going to these states. reporter: of course russ vought and steve mnuchin work at the pleasure of the president and speak to the president. mcenany said russ vought was in the oval office today. asked why the tweets needed to get to his attention, she tried to make this a case this was matter of transparency. we heard from nancy pelosi, the house speaker on this matter, she believes this is health issue, mail-in voting as it relates to covid-19. by the way, meeting at white house between president trump and two more governors, the democratic governor of kansas and republican governor of arkansas. that meeting expected to take place at any moment now. connell, melissa, back to you. connell: blake, thank you. blake burman. melissa: here now to discuss all of this is bill mcgurn from the "wall street journal." he is also a fox news contributor. so, bill, it is interesting, as you look at all the headlines as they flew by just now president trump and various governors talking about reopening, it seems like in so

headlines from the omb that talking about how bad the second quarter will be.here was an article that questioned efficacy of moderna's new covid knight, the vaccine trials. here is the question, did you sell into the late swoon yesterday? clearly the market was spooked. i'm sure many did probably cut bait. if you knew history you would, you might have held and might have even bought. according to spoke research, the market had 14 sharp declines just like yesterday in the last half hour of trading in the last 10 years. the following session has always seen strong rebound. every time it was up in the mornings, every time it was up for the entire day except once back in 2011. i want to bring in kaltbaum capital management and fox news contributor, gary kaltbaum and joel schulman. gary, let me start with you. the wild gyrations are tough. they have shaken a lot of people out of the market. how are you adjusting? >> welcome to my spastic world. i'm not immune. i taken out a couple times recently. even today there was announcement that the senate passed some bill abo

discussion, the majority of them will be on the reserve list and are currently on the billion dollars that omb, the office of measuring and budget has updated. a little bit on steroids. that was just under $1 billion. this is just over $1.3 billion. is that correct? >> that is correct. >> good morning. >> a couple of questions. for the treasurer, when you announced your latest revenue onjections -- predictions may 13, they were based on the assumption that there will not be a resurgence of covid-19 cases later. since health officials and models are projecting there will be a second surge, why do you in include those assumptions projecting the revenue losses? wouldn't that make the predictions a little more rosier than reality? for the governor, in light of the financial crisis the state --es, which is something immigration advocates and lawmakers are pushing for? manyng to the short towns, are not concerned they will not have enough offices for the summer season. is there any update you have on reopening -- officers for the summer season. is there any update you have on reopening the police ac

i'm thinking about new issues to ombs as installment loans. have you thought about that and have you thought about less than aaa. >> we've thought about -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> we've thought about all of those and i would just say, you know, i want to thank the people at the fed and the treasury who have worked around the clock to get these facilities up and running. we've prioritized these. i assure you as the fed chair and i have said, we would look at all of our options to make sure we support jobs across the spectrum >> i would particularly be interested you don't have to expand on it here but on new issues i'm interested in that and see what you're gaming out and within the realm of possibility chairman powell, do you have anything to add to that? >> no. just our commitment as the secretary suggested to keep our minds open and look at evolving those facilities as we learn more >> secretary mnuchin, i have one question for you and a final question for the both of you i'm thinking more about the tax burden on middle class households do you

between the year 202,016 the epa issued a total of 22 rules estimated by omb to cost $1 billion. that was a total of $104.4 billion. every other federal agency combined issues only 19 of those rules that cost an estimated $34.4 billion. to put it into perspective epa alone issued more of those rules than any other agency and more than three times as costly to the economy. i think speeding up their review and i think the administration has made positive steps in that regard and what's interesting mike and i both served on the commerce committee together. when you bring in local elected officeholders are elected democrats inevitably they expressed frustration. they want to build the road and they want to build the bridge and the review is delayed to get a permit and it goes on and on. mike and i love have had those conversations with selected democrats. look at your party putting all those roadblocks in the way and i think this is an opportunity to speed that up and it's an opportunity we can take advantage of. >> senator it seems possible one of the reasons the environmental impac

related to that you require a bypass professional judgment, do not stop echo, do not get cut to a nearby omb give the actual professional judgment from what's needed so that in congress and in public you can assess that and that put it all of the accountability metrics for what we expect to see for the monies that are being spent. this is not a piggy bank. this is a specific investment in building up our national defense. >> madam chair, i would suggest that something we need to work on together, maybe submit together for the consideration of our colleagues. because it will take obviously agreement between the house and senate and executive branch but i think it's a very good idea. dr. rivers, let me turn to you if i may and again i very much enjoyed reading your paper and your testimony. he made two points that were particularly strictly, probably because i agreed with them, one, your concern about we just appropriate 25 elegant daughters for additional testing. i'm not sure exactly what we are doing with it. whether we really have the program set up and running for it here same thing about

by virtue of their public face we cannot keep up with the changes, we had to go through the omb process. we were very much paid for base. and overcome by evens. any veteran can provide any medical information, in some ways it was becoming irrelevant for the situation. a real source of fraud we were working on. >> you are working with bsos on this? >> absolutely. we formed a group to consult with them together opinions about that. it is perplexing that after we worked with them they understood the situation and it troubles us to see what is happening. the public nature of it prevented us from being able to change it is things were changing but they were all aware, they had access to our systems, to see the veterans records and the like. welcome all information from private providers. that has ever been the issue. it has been unintentionally turned into something causing additional problems. >> whatever i can do to be helpful to make sure you get everybody on the same page. >> i will reach out as well. >> like many members of congress we rely on our dsos, boots on the ground, i want to ma

. >> we are going to share all of that with omb and see if we can come up with recommendations going forward. >> thank you for coming today. >> thank you. as i mentioned, you have done a good job, a thorough job. you have responded [indiscernible] thank you for that. that we were on the energywork bill and we hoped to be a will to move across the finish line and update our energy policies and a way that was deemed necessary and we look forward to anying with you to address outstanding matters that you have. [indiscernible] after a almost standing driver, we look forward to working with you. i want to thank you for being here, thank your family for supporting you. not only in your current , but i also look forward to advancingyou. and i would hope that you would enjoy the supporth-level [indiscernible] >> madam chairman, i also want to say also -- >> [indiscernible] be submitted to the committee tomorrow. we're also closing the work of the technical experts [indiscernible] nomination [indiscernible] >> thank you. >> thank you. >> some ice to meet you. [captioning performed by the nati

so between the year 2000-2016, the epa issued a total of 22 rules, estimated by omb to cost $1 billion or more. that was a total of $104.4 billion. every other federal agency combined issued only 19 of those rules that cost an estimated $34.4 billion. so to put it in perspective, epa alone issued more of those rules and every other agency and more than three times as costly to the economy. so i think speeding at that review, and i think the administration has made positive steps in that regard, and was interesting, mike and i both serve on the commerce committee, judiciary committee together your when you bring in local mayors, when you bring in local elected officeholders, elected democrats, inevitably the express frustration with their want to build public come to want to build a bridge and they say it's a most impossible to do the review. it goes on and on and on, and i know mike and i both have those conversations with elected democrats will be similar, it's your party that's putting all of those roadblocks in the way. and if you think this is an opportunity to speed that up and is

issued aure if omb has statement on the legislation or not. >> well, you guys drafted the legislation, so hopefully you are good to go with it. take a look. we did work with the administration on this quite a lot. one thing that's interesting, people always talk about the science. my colleagues on the other side, i work well with them, but they trot out science, the word science sometimes, there's occasionally, we had a great example in alaska during the obama administration area federal agency said that the national petroleum reserve of alaska had no more oil in it. really? we knew that was a bunch of bunk science, totally politicized. until this pandemic we were having one of the biggest looms ever because there is so much national resources. of how much they politicize the science and my state to shut down resource development and kill those jobs that are so critical to my economy, but also the u.s. economy. mr. administrator, i want to talk about an issue that you and i highlighted in alaska on your visit. again, think you for coming, we welcome you to come back again. in the 2016

i'm not sure if omb has issued a statement on the legislation or not. i can't get ahead of the white house on endorsing legislation. sen. sullivan: well, you guys drafted the legislation, so hopefully you are good to go with it. take a look. we did work with the administration on this quite a lot. one of the things that is interesting, people talk about science. my colleagues on the other side, i work well with them, lots of them are good friends but they trot out science some of the word science sometimes, there is occasionally, we had a great example in alaska during the obama administration. the science of federal agencies said the national petroleum reserve of alaska had no more oil in it. really? i was the dnr commission at the time. we knew that was a bunch of bunk science, totally politicized. until this pandemic having one of the biggest booms in the national petroleum reserve in alaska ever because there is so much natural resources. when i hear the science thing from the other side i get skeptical how much the obama guys politicized science, c

we've got a little bit of a dip coming from omb, and a lot of it is the function of the budget we had to all agree to to get a two-year deal. the way i calculated, and also talking to the secretary of billion an extra $20 would restore the curve and get us about where we need to be, combining shipbuilding and aircraft manufacturing. i would just say to my colleagues and anyone listening, our economy has been in the tank and we've done some things in this congress that were necessary to get us over the hump, and we've found a way to appropriate the money and say we need to do it. in terms of the $3 trillion we spent on our economy, it strikes me -- it's a relative bargain to try and come up with $20 billion, only $20 billion to get us back to where we need to be to where the top military leaders in our country tell us will keep us safe. that iould just say think the collective leadership in this town and in this building ought to help us come up with that. now, there's also, ambassador braithwaite, there getting more out of your money. and i asked secretary gertz about block buys and a

. >> final question as a budget guy who used to run the omb. you think about our budget how do you think about our deficits and debt as a nation but also the various municipalities, cities, states that are going to be hammered by this situation >> we are running a grand fiscal experiment and that's an experiment we need to run. there really is no other approach to cushioning the blow, and if we didn't do what we're doing, the long-term effects would be dramatically worse because we'd have a humpty-dumpty effect where it would be much harder to put the economy on course without aggressive government action one of the things we should be doing now is locking in additional government assistance for the next 6 to 12 months because the backlav against the initial round will only build. we're going to get closer to a presidential election. the odds are high we'll need that yes, we're going to have a much higher debt to gdp ratio, but there really is no alternative unless we want to suffer not only the kind of unemployment rate we're going to see toda