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we'll be back in a moment here on mosaic. at farmers we make you smarter about insurance, because what you dont know can hurt you. what if you didn't know that it's smart to replace washing-machine hoses every five years? what if you didn't know that you might need extra coverage for more expensive items? and what if you didn't know that teen drivers are four times more likely to get into an accident? 'sup the more you know, the better you can plan for what's ahead. talk to farmers and get smarter about your insurance. ♪ we are farmers bum - pa - dum, bum - bum - bum -bum ♪ >>> we're in the middle of a wonderful conversation with dr. and i didn't david israel's general. in the bay area there are so many media images about israel and a lot of it is quick picture, quick sound bites. what do you make of the distinct between those quick image media stimulation and and what is the reality behind it? >> i think in order to answer that, i will say that if you have to describe san francisco to israelis, what would it be? what is the
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we will see you on the website and next week on mosaic. thank you for being with us. ♪ ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit hungry ♪ ♪ and there's nothing good for me around ♪ ♪ turn around ♪ every now and then i get a little bit tired ♪ ♪ of craving something that i can't have ♪ ♪ turn around barbara ♪ i finally found the right snack ♪ ♪ try new fiber one cinnamon coffee cake. >>> welcome to bay sunday. i am your host frank mallicoat. we begin with the weekly pitch. if you have a show idea, we would love to hear from you. go to kpix.com. go to bay sunday. >> we begin with a trailblazing book that takes a another look at cancer. it will undoubtedly touch each and every one of us someday. it is still one of the world number one killers. cancer is a big business to the healthcare industry also. we shed a new light on the fight against cancer from for methodical companies to caretakers. the economic and social hayes behind cancer. and why we are losing the war on cancer
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mosaic. i'd add you back on the program, sir. glad to have you back on the program, sir. we will get straight to the text. there is a major race happening in the city of new york. michael bloomberg got the city council to give him a third term. herself in terms of being the next mayor, but one of those finalists got his start working for you. tell me you have endorsed and take it away. >> i endorse bill thompson, the past controller. mike bloomberg did pretty well. lost by four or five points. but the mayor spent over $100 million. billorsed him again, but one. he worked in our office in city hall and worked with bill lynch, known to many as a rumpled genius. it brought him along as he has done so many others. bill is dead now and has his reward. but he has left quite a legacy. >> you endorse him now that he is one of the two finalists? >> absolutely. i called them on election night and congratulated him, offering to do whatever i could the help. -- to help. he not only worked for us, but his wife did, too. she worked in our speech office. the office of the reporters, the
mosaic. i'd add you back on the program, sir. glad to have you back on the program, sir. we will get straight to the text. there is a major race happening in the city of new york. michael bloomberg got the city council to give him a third term. herself in terms of being the next mayor, but one of those finalists got his start working for you. tell me you have endorsed and take it away. >> i endorse bill thompson, the past controller. mike bloomberg did pretty well. lost by four or five...
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mosaic up about one and a half percent. >>> and liberty global selling its international content division to amc for about a billion. they will help to expand the outreach and distribute popular shows like "breaking bad" overseas, shares slipped to 1690. liberty global was up to 81112. >> are you happy with your job? if not, things may get better as you get older. a new study byñr the associated press and the center for public affairs research finds that nine out of ten workers age 50 and older say they're either very or somewhat satisfied with their job. and the results cut across all gender, race, education and income levels in the survey. >> i'm happy, i'm happy, i promise you. a lot of those older workers may need to keep working, more and more people over the age of 50 are accumulating more debt. and in order to pay it down they're saving less for retirement. >> reporter: it sounds like a lot of money, american workers stash away over $300 billion, including employer's matching contributions into 401(k) accounts and defined benefit plans every year. but it still may not be enough. >>
mosaic up about one and a half percent. >>> and liberty global selling its international content division to amc for about a billion. they will help to expand the outreach and distribute popular shows like "breaking bad" overseas, shares slipped to 1690. liberty global was up to 81112. >> are you happy with your job? if not, things may get better as you get older. a new study byñr the associated press and the center for public affairs research finds that nine out of...
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mosaic. i'd add you back on the program, sir. glad to have you back on the program, sir. we will get straight to the text. there is a major race happening in the city of new york. michael bloomberg got the city council to give him a third term. herself in terms of being the next mayor, but one of those finalists got his start working for you. tell me you have endorsed and take it away. >> i endorse bill thompson, the past controller. mike bloomberg did pretty well. lost by four or five points. but the mayor spent over $100 million. billorsed him again, but one. he worked in our office in city hall and worked with bill lynch, known to many as a rumpled genius. it brought him along as he has done so many others. bill is dead now and has his reward. but he has left quite a legacy. >> you endorse him now that he is one of the two finalists? >> absolutely. i called them on election night and congratulated him, offering to do whatever i could the help. -- to help. he not only worked for us, but his wife did, too. she worked in our speech office. the office of the reporters, the
mosaic. i'd add you back on the program, sir. glad to have you back on the program, sir. we will get straight to the text. there is a major race happening in the city of new york. michael bloomberg got the city council to give him a third term. herself in terms of being the next mayor, but one of those finalists got his start working for you. tell me you have endorsed and take it away. >> i endorse bill thompson, the past controller. mike bloomberg did pretty well. lost by four or five...
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mosaic and indeed, it is. we are honored to have the chance to see you serve. thanks for coming on the program again. >> thank you, buddy. ands: thanks for watching as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley at pbs.org. tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. join me next time for a conversation with award-winning journalist eric schlosser about command and control, nuclear safety. we will see you then. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> be more. pbs. >> be more. pbs. ♪ >>miriam: hi, welcome back to hometime. we are in the middle of some new construction here at the creekside home with rough- ins and masonry taking place. today we're gonna talk about topping off the chimney with some knights in copper armor; that's something you'll wanna see. we've also got rolls of red & white plastic pipe that the plumbers have been putting in. and we've had a little moisture problem that's resulted in a lot more digging, drain tiling and back-filling th
mosaic and indeed, it is. we are honored to have the chance to see you serve. thanks for coming on the program again. >> thank you, buddy. ands: thanks for watching as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley at pbs.org. tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. join me next time for a conversation with award-winning journalist eric schlosser about command and control, nuclear safety. we will see you then. captioned by the national captioning institute...
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mosaic and indeed, it is. we are honored to have the chance to see you serve. thanks for coming on the program again. >> thank you, buddy. ands: thanks for watching as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley at pbs.org. tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. join me next time for a conversation with award-winning journalist eric schlosser about command and control, nuclear safety. we will see you then. captioned by the national captioning institute --www.ncicap.org-- >> and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. thank you. >> be more. pbs. >> be more. pbs. >> haskins: coming up on "theater talk"... >> after a review like that, is the phone ringing off the hook? is your agent fielding calls right and left from hollywood offers -- >> i actually don't have an agent, or a manager. never had an agent or a manager. >> we'll see how long it takes. [laughter] >> the phone is definitely ringing, though. >> haskins: "theater talk" is made possible in part by... >> from new york city, this is "theater talk." i'm susan haskins. >> and i'm
mosaic and indeed, it is. we are honored to have the chance to see you serve. thanks for coming on the program again. >> thank you, buddy. ands: thanks for watching as always, keep the faith. >> for more information on today's show, visit tavis smiley at pbs.org. tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. join me next time for a conversation with award-winning journalist eric schlosser about command and control, nuclear safety. we will see you then. captioned by the national captioning institute...
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masterful byzantine engineering. 40 arched windows shed a soft light on the interior, showing off the church's original marble and glittering mosaics. but the byzantine empire collapsed in the 15th century, and hagia sophia was turned into a mosque. christian mosaics were plastered over, and new religious symbols replaced the old. this church was built to face jerusalem. mosques face mecca. when hagia sophia became a mosque, they couldn't move the church, but they could move the focal point of the praying. notice how the prayer niche is just a little bit off-center. that's because it faces mecca. >> funding for this program is >> funding for this program is provided by subaru.or: at s female announcer: at subaru, we build vehicles like the rugged outback, with symmetrical all-wheel drive standard and plenty of cargo space for those who pack even more adventure into life. subaru, a proud sponsor of "globe trekker." [captioning made possible by u.s. department of education] >> i'm in a country that has over 500 national dishes, where the family is the cornerstone of life, and
masterful byzantine engineering. 40 arched windows shed a soft light on the interior, showing off the church's original marble and glittering mosaics. but the byzantine empire collapsed in the 15th century, and hagia sophia was turned into a mosque. christian mosaics were plastered over, and new religious symbols replaced the old. this church was built to face jerusalem. mosques face mecca. when hagia sophia became a mosque, they couldn't move the church, but they could move the focal point of...
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. >> the latest update on the ongoing soap opra for stocks like padash mosaic, moving session highs accordingo a dow jones report, russian giant is expected to work on revising a price agreement with belarus, together those companies control about 40% of the global fertilizer market for potash. that's why the stocks are on the rise. >> thanks very much. >> talk about the markets today. the zigs and zags continue, bob pisani. a zag day. >> it is. a lot worse earlier in the morning. the dow industrials, remember a two-week shutdown like some people were talking about last night, that's not in the stock market and that's why we've been struggling all throughout the day. stocks lifted a little bit late in the day or late in the morning when the word came out the president was going to meet with congressional leaders and lifted a little more here later in the day as mr. reid, the senate majority leader, has offered to enter into budget negotiations with mr. boehner the house speaker, in return for allowing the government to reopen. the market has slowly been responding to all of that. meantime the
. >> the latest update on the ongoing soap opra for stocks like padash mosaic, moving session highs accordingo a dow jones report, russian giant is expected to work on revising a price agreement with belarus, together those companies control about 40% of the global fertilizer market for potash. that's why the stocks are on the rise. >> thanks very much. >> talk about the markets today. the zigs and zags continue, bob pisani. a zag day. >> it is. a lot worse earlier in...
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mosaic. i'd add you back on the program, sir. glad to have you back on the program, sir.will get straight to the text. there is a major race happening in the city of new york. michael bloomberg got the city council to give him a third term. herself in terms of being the next mayor, but one of those finalists got his start working for you. tell me you have endorsed and take it away. >> i endorse bill thompson, the past controller. mike bloomberg did pretty well. lost by four or five points. but the mayor spent over $100 million. billorsed him again, but one. he worked in our office in city hall and worked with bill lynch, known to many as a rumpled genius. it brought him along as he has done so many others. bill is dead now and has his reward. but he has left quite a legacy. >> you endorse him now that he is one of the two finalists? >> absolutely. i called them on election night and congratulated him, offering to do whatever i could the help. -- to help. he not only worked for us, but his wife did, too. she worked in our speech office. the office of the reporters, the new
mosaic. i'd add you back on the program, sir. glad to have you back on the program, sir.will get straight to the text. there is a major race happening in the city of new york. michael bloomberg got the city council to give him a third term. herself in terms of being the next mayor, but one of those finalists got his start working for you. tell me you have endorsed and take it away. >> i endorse bill thompson, the past controller. mike bloomberg did pretty well. lost by four or five...
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mosaic. i'm ron. always a privilege to be here with the host on behalf of hue barrels our co-host as well as producer. now community united methodist church. i'd like to thank community united methodist church for having a tremendous reception for me that welcomed me back for a second year as appointed pastor for that church. all these churches i've served in the last 16 years, the members and me where do i get these stoles from that i wear, where do i get the robes that i wear, and i comment that i have about 28 robes in my 40 years of ministry and the last 16 to 20 i've gotten at this particular store called sagrata. so i wanted to invite the owners of the store that i've gone to in oakland for all these years and it's a privilege and a blessing to have the guests and the owners here this morning, and that's mary and carloobusby. >> tell us. why sagrata, the name, the history, it's your 20th 20th anniversary next year. >> this year is 20 years, yeah. >> we began the story in what was a little horse stable at the turn of the century for the telegraph avenue street cars. these were the car barns and s
mosaic. i'm ron. always a privilege to be here with the host on behalf of hue barrels our co-host as well as producer. now community united methodist church. i'd like to thank community united methodist church for having a tremendous reception for me that welcomed me back for a second year as appointed pastor for that church. all these churches i've served in the last 16 years, the members and me where do i get these stoles from that i wear, where do i get the robes that i wear, and i comment...
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it has been one of the great ag plays. mosaic has not been that good, deere has not been that good. ch and monsanto is a biotech company for seeds. >> fabulous. we're going to keep a look on shares of mon, up about 8% this year. we have a lot more to keep an eye on, including those three ipos. three companies making their wall street debuts. stick around for more "squawk on the street" and the opening bell after this. follow, but at xerox we've embraced a new role. working behind the scenes to provide companies with services... like helping hr departments manage benefits and pensions for over 11 million employees. reducing document costs by up to 30%... and processing $421 billion dollars in accounts payables each year. helping thousands of companies simplify how work gets done. how's that for an encore? with xerox, you're ready for real business. [ bell ringing, applause ] five tech stocks with more than a 10%... change in after-market trading. ♪ all the tech stocks with a market cap... of at least 50 billion... are up on the day. 12 low-volume stocks... breaking into 52-week highs.
it has been one of the great ag plays. mosaic has not been that good, deere has not been that good. ch and monsanto is a biotech company for seeds. >> fabulous. we're going to keep a look on shares of mon, up about 8% this year. we have a lot more to keep an eye on, including those three ipos. three companies making their wall street debuts. stick around for more "squawk on the street" and the opening bell after this. follow, but at xerox we've embraced a new role. working...
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mosaic. how about simeer in indiana. caller thank you for taking my calls. my question is on the defense the pullback, giving license and also media, they are going from here and whether you think it's a target? >> i don't know if it's a takeover target. we hesitate to recommend a takeover basis. this fellow who is running it, don matric. he is very good. that's why i say stop selling zynga. why weren't we down more today? nasdaq was down barely a percent optimism kept it higher. remember, optimism is very good when we're lower. not that good when we're up here. "mad money" will be right back. >> coming up, welcome home. home values are on the rise in 2013. so is online real estate company zillow. its stock more than tripled this year is the boost a bubble or could the latest acquisition take the stock to new heights? cramer's exclusive with the ceo is next. and later, new frontier? it's one of the top energy clients in america. and the company's investing here, a striking black coal. fiejd out which slick stocks could surge from thousands of new drilling points in the heartl
mosaic. how about simeer in indiana. caller thank you for taking my calls. my question is on the defense the pullback, giving license and also media, they are going from here and whether you think it's a target? >> i don't know if it's a takeover target. we hesitate to recommend a takeover basis. this fellow who is running it, don matric. he is very good. that's why i say stop selling zynga. why weren't we down more today? nasdaq was down barely a percent optimism kept it higher....
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on around you? what was it like back then? >> well, our city is a gorgeous mosaic.. we were told new york city is a melting pot. i don't agree. i think it is a gorgeous mosaic. we have as many separate ethnic identities in new york. almost as many as the united nations has member nations. it's a great city. it's a wonderful city to govern if you like public service and you like people. it's the best job i ever had, that's for sure. >> well, you write in your new book, this got a little press attention when asked about it. you wrote in your booking look back anence the 1993 company against guiliani, when asked why i lost? i used to say, "why do you think?" i did not want to say it out, racism, pure and simple. >> i might have more artfully phrased that. if one considers the contest of '89, i had three opponents. ed koch incumbent, dick ravage, a very bright guy, who did a great job with the mta and jay gold one i say is the most articulate knowledgeable person in the government t. conventional wisdom was we wouldn't win, even if i finished first, i wouldn't get 40% a
on around you? what was it like back then? >> well, our city is a gorgeous mosaic.. we were told new york city is a melting pot. i don't agree. i think it is a gorgeous mosaic. we have as many separate ethnic identities in new york. almost as many as the united nations has member nations. it's a great city. it's a wonderful city to govern if you like public service and you like people. it's the best job i ever had, that's for sure. >> well, you write in your new book, this got a...
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on in terms of economic numbers? >> even if the government shut down, i think it looks make sense to look at a mosaic.ou have an initial jobless claims today. that is a good report. it came in better than expected. we just got another version of this this morning. they come out from surveys. that government data. that i like, as well. just to kind of come for the government data. we also get those outside the u.s. where you made me a little bit more worried about government data. charles: it is sort of a big deal. the iso number, i think it was important. the employment month over month was down 4%. that was not good. if it continues, we can assume a number less than that. what we have taken together over the last 24 hours does not necessarily bode well. we are not anywhere near where anyone wants us to be or expects us to be. dagen: plotting along means great news for the markets. what is driving this. >> i think that there is little dow in my mind. the longer it goes on, the more people will get worried about the risks because they kind of builds upon itself. you know it will get solved. it will giv
on in terms of economic numbers? >> even if the government shut down, i think it looks make sense to look at a mosaic.ou have an initial jobless claims today. that is a good report. it came in better than expected. we just got another version of this this morning. they come out from surveys. that government data. that i like, as well. just to kind of come for the government data. we also get those outside the u.s. where you made me a little bit more worried about government data. charles:...
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on. not because you think that person in particular may be dangerous to us. they could have information. they could be having a conversation that fits into an overall mosaic that could be helpful for us to find out what is happening in the world as far as our diplomatic and military leverage. i wish everybody would step back and just think about this and not be calling the nsa a rogue agency or somehow implying they're doing something that's wrong. if people want to change the policy, that's one thing. don't blame the nsa for it. >> peter king, thank you very much. >> andrea, thank you. >> thanks for being with us today. and news from the boy scouts. former defense second care robert gates has accepted a new post. he will soon leave the boy scouts of america. the scouting organization says gates will serve a two-year term as national president, guiding the boy scouts of america as it serves approximately 2.6 million youth member. they've had their share of problems in recent years. gates has been involved in scouting for years. he's an eagle scout and a past member of the national executive board. americans take care of business. they always have. they al
on. not because you think that person in particular may be dangerous to us. they could have information. they could be having a conversation that fits into an overall mosaic that could be helpful for us to find out what is happening in the world as far as our diplomatic and military leverage. i wish everybody would step back and just think about this and not be calling the nsa a rogue agency or somehow implying they're doing something that's wrong. if people want to change the policy, that's...
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they will fly mosaics with 1 million tons of ammonia used to make the phosphates. both company shares are up ony difficult transition to understand. consul energy selling five of the key coal mines. shares trading lower. first on cnbc is brad harvey, chairman and ceo of consul energy. welcome to squawk on the streets, sir. good to see you. >> good to be here. you are only getting out of thermal. you still want to be able to be in that expert call, because i would think that -- you want to get out of coal entirely and go all in nat gas. >> the fastest growing fuel internationally is coal. the fastest growing fuel inside the united states is natural gas. it is a natural for us to hit both markets. this is just a move to get away from the nongrowth domestic side and grow worldwide sbeas well a domestically. >> is this all a statement that the epa has said you are not going to build any more coal plants in this country and why not diversify away given this country has turned very hard against using coal as a fuel. >> well, yeah. we -- this administration says we shouldn't be using coal going forwar
they will fly mosaics with 1 million tons of ammonia used to make the phosphates. both company shares are up ony difficult transition to understand. consul energy selling five of the key coal mines. shares trading lower. first on cnbc is brad harvey, chairman and ceo of consul energy. welcome to squawk on the streets, sir. good to see you. >> good to be here. you are only getting out of thermal. you still want to be able to be in that expert call, because i would think that -- you want to...
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they will supply mosaic with a million tons of ammonia used in makes fos cate fates and facebook falling below $50 a share, although back up just a bit, ahead of its earnings call ondnesday. all things d reporting that facebook has decided not to launch video adds this year. it's trading at 50.63. to the bond market, rick santelli, who has been tracking the action out at the cme. hi, rick. >> hi, tyler. if one of the fed's secret goals was to take volatility out of every market except for going up in stocks, mission accomplished. look at it, we have two-year note auction today. wasn't a bad auction. two-day chart, two-year note yields within a three quarters of basis point range. go to the longest end of the curve where the volatility is, 30-year bond, two-day chart, three basis point range low to high. look overseas, look at the boom. three basis point range over the last two days. dollar index, .3 of a cent range. want to see what's going on think quantitative easing and other issues. year-to-date chart small range but at the bottom all the way back towards february. back to you. >> rick, thank you very much. the dow and s&p, sitting at record highs or near them
they will supply mosaic with a million tons of ammonia used in makes fos cate fates and facebook falling below $50 a share, although back up just a bit, ahead of its earnings call ondnesday. all things d reporting that facebook has decided not to launch video adds this year. it's trading at 50.63. to the bond market, rick santelli, who has been tracking the action out at the cme. hi, rick. >> hi, tyler. if one of the fed's secret goals was to take volatility out of every market except for...
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mosaic. it's a 700-foot piece of art did the work. it's at the highway 101 underpass. here's photo posted by "the press democrat." the vandalism happened onunday night. it's a $12,000 mural purchased with money from a public art fund. >>> san francisco has a plan to deal with people who come into neighborhoods who take glass and aluminum out of recycling bins. neighbors complain there's a lot of noise in the early- morning hours but they also leave a mess. rekolgy has provided a list of locations. police will now monitor the routes for thieves. >>> sal's been monitoring a lot of stuff in our traffic. what -- you are focusing on something right now. >> yeah. we do have a report of a big fire had, as if the south bay -- fire, as if the south bay commute was not bad enough, on monterey highway, south of 85 here. i do want to mention that the south bay commute has been really terrible. pardon me. now, the fire we're talking about would be here on monterey highway in an unincorporated area of san jose right where i'm drawing the "x." pardon my bad drawing skills. there's smoke visible. our newschopper2 is almost at the scene. the traffic in th
mosaic. it's a 700-foot piece of art did the work. it's at the highway 101 underpass. here's photo posted by "the press democrat." the vandalism happened onunday night. it's a $12,000 mural purchased with money from a public art fund. >>> san francisco has a plan to deal with people who come into neighborhoods who take glass and aluminum out of recycling bins. neighbors complain there's a lot of noise in the early- morning hours but they also leave a mess. rekolgy has...
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on the record. they all love it. they all love the exposure. they have 400 ceos in this that say it's no good. the amount of money that's being devoted as part of the mosaic of online spent is rather remarkable. so i found this -- i mean, this is a billion people, you can reach young people. i don't know who they're speaking to but the ceos i speak to just swear by the product. >> it does take you back to the early days after the ipos where, for instance, gm had their doubts. >> and they come back. >> you take a guy like pat doyle, he took over when the stock was 10, it's in the 60s. he says the facebook app for dominos really just accelerated the roll-out because if you use dominos -- i don't know if you use dominos, you don't have to speak to anybody, which is really sensational. hey, if you screw up, the order's on you. if you order no cheese, it does come back and say are you sure you want know cheese? no person would ever ask that. i think the app has been terrific and pat doyle thinks it's terrific. these are youthful companies trying to reach youthful people. twitter is starting to hear about a little higher valuation. >> certainly compared to face
on the record. they all love it. they all love the exposure. they have 400 ceos in this that say it's no good. the amount of money that's being devoted as part of the mosaic of online spent is rather remarkable. so i found this -- i mean, this is a billion people, you can reach young people. i don't know who they're speaking to but the ceos i speak to just swear by the product. >> it does take you back to the early days after the ipos where, for instance, gm had their doubts. >> and...