clearly more onism is coming out. and americans are trying to figure out what does it mean? what does the religion -- should i be concerned? the conservative christian voters thinking about really do we want him as a candidate? he's mormon. and when he becomes the best contender seat and lead to go against candidate barack obama in the most recent election. the concern is, okay, better than obama. so we'll embrace him. the ideas smicht then the other level, like the twilight series mormon increasingly influencing the public of mormon theologies in the -- >> host: not a fan. in particular? >> guest: well, we -- one of the things they go to is named after a place that features in to mormon theologies. and the idea of it and the variety of elements figure in. it's hard to how people are motivated how they see somebody's religion. ic people are simultaneously talking more in the public sphere but more he about it about how we talk. >> guest: right. >> host: i think it was complicated. charity in the irish catholic chapter. i thought it was interesting you focus in irish catholic

how much is that issue of to be a onism going part of this legacy as well, at least how the white house is trying to portray it. i think it will be an important part. i think historians will assess that and will be a big part of the president was able to achieve and what it wasn't able to achieve. i think in particular it's the time that's been spent and political energy spent around the fiscal issues in particular. the debt ceiling standoffs, the government shutdown. that those are obviously symbolic and highlight the lack of the white house and get essional ability to together and solve problems and so i think it will be a big part. lso, this congress apparently is going to go down -- the 113th congress as the least productive terms of passing new legislation. ouse speaker john boehner said that's fine. that their primary focus is on -- is on impeding was his word. so i think in their own epublican words, that's a big part of what they hope is their legacy. > let's go to fey now from wardcove, arkansas for our line for independence. you. morning to >> good morning. the one thing i was