a relatively new mom watching the show was i wonder what will happen when, one day, your daughter oona >> is she going to have access? >> yes. >> [ laughing ] yeah, i know. that's why it's sort of -- i always think of it as sort of a magic trick of sorts because the first half of the show is this argument for why one would never want -- why one should never want to have a child. and the second half is i had a child, and i was right, but here's how it turns on itself. and if it doesn't turn on itself, truly and authentically and in an emotional way, the magic trick doesn't work because, like you said, oona's going to see this show someday, and it's going to have to be convincing that i did change. and jen always laughs, my wife always laughs because she's like -- people asked jen about that a lot and she's like, if you saw the two of them together, you'd realize that oona would never believe that i wrote this show. >> because there's some really i would say dark but, certainly, a provocative moment in the show. >> i would say dark and provocative -- both of those i think are true. >> yo