and that's sometimes where some of the credit guarantees of opic or usaid been help them deal with the risk and introduce them to interesting business opportunities which they know very well because some of these remote areas, they might know much better than a large company, but i'm sure my colleagues have things to add. >> chairman smith, i would add a couple of points, if i may. first of all, i mean, we all, i think, acknowledge the difficulty of providing broad answers because of the very great diversity of the different circumstances in different african countries and, indeed, rural versus urban settings, but within that -- with that danger, i'll attempt to respond. in regard to the question about cutting edge development of the power systems, the grid centralized systems, one of the areas that we felt is very, very important and that a number of our agencies have worked on have different vantage points, different perspectives of our different missions is the business of utilization of associated gas from oil development projects. the historical experience of the flaring of natura