she told me representative oppenheimer co. came to her with 300 pieces of legal paper for her to read and sign which was difficult for her given the circumstances of her eyesight, to sign confidentiality agreements and i thought at that time this is the perfect story to take to the new york times. i had a great in at the new york times at that particular moment. so i said we can get the story in but you have to put your name behind it and she said i don't care. i don't care. they told me if i spoke out, 5 put my name out and i said oppenheimer and put my name behind it i would never get my money back. when you think of oppenheimer and you see them coming on television with their hands holding together like this, this is the right way to invest, tea that story in mind. oppenheimer was one of our most difficult people. another one you might be interested in, wells fargo is still given its problems. a man from california called me up in his 70s, he had worked his entire life to build a defense contracting company out there and un

they're like oppenheimers. this is the way to do business, you know? it's just like this. and where do you fit in this little pattern? that's the whole point. that that symbolism, this business does not allow for your hand to get involved. anybody else? questions, please. >> quick question. i've recently been reading about the great depression, and i'm just curious, i don't know how much a student of history you are, but those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it. how much of this stuff resonates or makes sense compare today what happened in the great depression? were there any lessons that should have been learned then or subsequently that we didn't learn that sort of contributed to -- or ignored that contribute today the most recent downturn? >> yes, and we're doing it again. the great depression was a subject of criminal behavior, insider trading, um, what they call pump and dump. pump and dump, by the way, is what they do to you, for instance, when you have an initial public offering. linkedin just went to do an initial public offering. they say come on in,