and du bois is presenting himself as the more opprobrious successor, the more appropriate joshua. >> host: well, that said, what was the relationship from john mearsheimer and the larger white community. >> guest: well, very much involved, one of the founding members of the afc t. one can talk about the larger communities in a number of different ways. one can talk about him again with respect to the n.a.a.c.p., african-americans. activism. the point that i try to stress is what's du bois was about intellectually. a judge to open up the space for thinking, not only about the engagement of du bois throughout appropriations, contemporary american bankers, but to think, too, about, for example, but his time in germany. so, for example, not only interesting because he was a student. also interesting because he was the first students of gustav mahler in germany in because he was engaged with late 19th century german debate about the relationship between the human side and a natural site and others should think about race and the perspective of the national science of the human science. fo