, well, but you see, viktor orban defeated him in 18, viktor orban defeated peter marquisoy himself,invasion helped him , and now there is such an unknown peter madir, who, apart from saying that he is some kind of tyrant, a narcissist. and it is not clear who, while nothing can be blamed on him, and you see, this one, he meets the expectations of society, that the system is rotten, system and this is my next question, i.e. can we say that we are seeing signs of fatigue, that maybe everyone likes him, maybe he is a wonderful person for the magyars, for the hungarians, but simply when it has been on majority tv for 14 years, then somehow he is just gets bored am i right to be honest, it looks like not just fatigue, an internal protest, because you know, hungarians have been tired for a long time, but their viktor orbán, again, i will not be afraid of this word, a talented politician, he entertained them with the soros plan, migrants, various horror stories, there are lgbt people, that these lgbt activists will take your children there, and we will save them, well, that is a big nonsen

orbán still effectively leaves... well, perhaps the loneliest voice in the eu.ing this interview, orban also stated that europe will not be able to finance all of ukraine's needs without american support. we know that the eu is actively increasing its defense capabilities now, is there potential in this? well, this is the opinion of mr. orbán, his opinion often goes against what we hear from other european leaders, despite his opposition, the european union recently approved. one of the largest financing programs of ukraine by 50 billion euros for several years, and let's not forget that in addition to the european union, these... the european power supporting ukraine is also, for example, great britain, norway, other countries, in addition to the eu states, and in general they are twice as much , almost twice as much as the united states is currently giving aid to ukraine, and is very seriously trying to increase the production of ammunition, which ukraine so desperately needs, and the high representative recently spoke about this. on issues of security and for

, and orban will be forced to change his tactics and, to a certain extent, his strategy, because thisalready ripe in fidesz, orbán is no longer in such a mental and physical condition that he will be able to continue the attack and ... unworthy politics, both inside the country and abroad boundaries mr. tibor, are you ready? do you think, if necessary, orbán will suppress these protests by force, use law enforcement levers of influence, or could this result in some, well, acts, acts of violence. see hungary today. vska is famous not so much for such forceful manifestations, in hungary the so-called character assassination flourishes very much, that is, they themselves are the special means of orbán’s propaganda, which is simply to demoralize a person and simply to raze him, well, between us, morally to the ground, this policy and ... and this relationship has already begun with peter madior, orbán's press is simply raging , it's just starting to dig into... those connections, what kind of relationship he had with his ex-wife and so on, that is, instead of such forceful procedures, orb

and specifically before this meeting, yes, that is, it is an election, an election campaign, viktor orbánis participating in the election campaign of donald trump, he did it and earlier, donald trump did, participated in the election campaign of viktor orbán in 2022, he also wrote letters in support of orbán, here, so for example. some of these moments, you know, they're not exactly political moments, but it's like, it 's trump politics, yeah, so bannon, who's back on trump's team, yeah, with trump came to power in the 16th year, then banon seemed to leave, in fact, but he did not leave, he called orbán a trump before trump, and they are really similar, that is, viktor orbán is such a role model for these trumpists, who are now for all circumstances. have already taken over the republican party in the end, he is a role model in what sense, that is, relatively speaking, trump, who in a separate country did not just come to power with his opinion, his style and agenda, yes, but he is already, well, viktor orban for 14 years continuously in power and he's all like that, you know, that is, th

viktor orban .show 24/7, which is one idea. tucker carlson also spoke at the conference. in 2023 c pack held a seven -- second conference. most had thought he had lost his enthusiasm for -- democracy. >> ratings -- greetings to see pack. i wish i was there in budapest. if i ever get fired, have some time and can leave i will be there with you. in the meantime, godspeed. we're thinking of you and cheering you on. >> i should know, while that message aired in 2023, just a week and a half after tucker carlson was fired from fox news it was apparently prerecorded. true to his word, once he was actually fired tucker carlson traveled to hungary later that summer to interview his friend, viktor orban. so it seems that hungary is a very popular travel destination for the right-wing crowd. they cannot get enough of the place. and the admiration appears mutual. in 2022 viktor orban not only got to join the main stage on see pack, he was the opening act. >> ladies angela, this is how we fight. a speech by the

the meeting with orban.of hope in the american people actually. america has always had 20% or 30% of our country that likes this kind of strongman politics. that's not changed. in fact, it's probably lesser now than it's been at many other times in our history. but what we have now is the first time in history the biggest majority for a multiethnic, inclusive, multiracial america, the biggest we've ever had, a vast majority. and if we can just get those people to vote, then we will have a policy in which america can stand for our values on the international scene. now hungary is, as anne was saying, really russia's wedge into europe. hungary has been doing putin's bidding, and this is an incredibly dangerous situation because we've seen this movie before. not exactly, but as -- as the democratic intelligence leader was saying, we've seen what appeasement looks like when you appease a strong man like putin. they don't stop at one country. they will continue, and putin, in fact, has already tried to reach othe

i think that it comes down to it, given the way orban acts, and oh orban is clearly already inscribed moscow and he acts in the interests, in the interests of moscow, we see that he is now performing the role of such a messenger from moscow to trump , who goes to his victory there in of the united states of america, and they are already coordinating, coordinating actions, well, i mean trump and putin through through. coordinate their actions on future geopolitical schedules in the world in general, and so i think that the european commission will pay attention to the fact that orbán signed a defense agreement with china, that he is going and talking to trump, when all of europe is basically, well, a little worried about that , that trump can win and how he can act in relation to europe, and there is a general opinion that just... such a foreign policy will be conservative, aimed at on isolationism, and therefore, well, trump is not seen as someone who will support too much alliances and allies there, but orbán at the same time makes himself exclusive, that is, such a bridge, demonstra

is behind orbán, and... now looks like such a trojan horse for the european union and for the north atlantic alliance, we know how much hungary does, well, in quotes, does it so that ukraine does not receive aid from the european union, one can only imagine how many more claims there will be in hungary in the event that ukraine begins its journey regarding changes with the european union, regarding joining ... this alliance, and of course, of course, the hungarians will have a lot of questions , when the ukrainian state will go to the north atlantic alliance, this is a big question and a big problem, not only, a big challenge not only for ukraine, but for the european union and for the north atlantic alliance, because hungary is a subsidized country. european union, where european democracies do their best to ensure that hungarians live with dignity and are worthy members of the european union, but orbán always says that he has his own opinion, and he is ready to impose his rules in the european union, and t

let's listen to orban. we want to preserve freedom and sovereignty of hungary, we have no choice. we must occupy brussels. we will march on... and bring changes to the european union ourselves. we are not foals, we are a thousand-year-old state, we were deceived. it is time to rebel, it is time to restore the self-esteem and pride of europeans. we are not alone in this. we are not alone in this - said orban, and he was obviously right, because putin is behind orban, trump is behind orban, and orban now looks like such a trojan. horse for the european union and for the north atlantic alliance, we know how much hungary is doing, well, in quotation marks , it is doing so that ukraine does not receive help from the european union, one can only imagine how many more claims hungary will have in the event that ukraine starts its path regarding changes with the european union regarding joining this alliance, well, of course, of course. hungarians will have a lot of questions when the ukrainian state will join the n

let's hear live what orbán said.ys the following, first of all, he will not give a single penny to the ukrainian-russian war, so the war will end, because it is obvious that ukraine itself cannot stand on its own two feet. if the americans are together with europe'. will not give money and weapons, then the war will end, and if the americans do not give money, then the europeans themselves will not be able to finance this war, and therefore the war will end. tell me, friends, what is the difference between orban, trump and putin? well, of course, orbán is the prime minister of hungary, a small country that seems to have decided that its future depends on it. ukraine, as if this hungary will tell us whether to join the european union or not, whether to join the north atlantic alliance or not, because this country will have the right. consent to it or not give. at the same time, vladimir putin and donald trump say practically the same thing: in order for the war in ukraine to end, it is simply necessary to stop financi

let's listen to orban.e want to preserve the freedom and sovereignty of hungary, we have. there is no choice, we have to occupy brussels , we will march on brussels and bring changes to the european union ourselves, we are not foals, we are a millennial state, we have been deceived, it is time to rebel, it is time to restore the self-esteem and pride of europeans, we are not alone in this, we are not alone in this, said orbán, and he was obviously right, because behind orbán is putin, behind... orbán is trump, and orbán now it looks like such a trojan horse for the european union and for the north atlantic alliance, we know how much hungary is doing, well, in quotation marks, it is doing so that ukraine does not receive aid from the european union, one can only imagine how many more claims there will be in hungary, in in the event that ukraine begins its journey towards transition from the european union. union regarding joining this alliance, and of course, of course, the hungarians will have a lot of ques

here is how trump introduced orban at mar-a-lago. take a quick listen. >> there's nobody that is better, smarter, or a better leader than viktor orban. he's fantastic. he does a great job.

a fantastic leader, instead orbán called on trump to come back and ... bring peace, what orbán actuallyid: we need in leaders in the world who are respected and who can bring peace, he is one of them, i mean donald trump, come back and bring us peace, mr. president, orbán wrote on the x social network after the meeting. well, except what else orbán said after the meeting with trump. that trump has quite detailed plans to end the war in ukraine, the essence of which is to stop aid to ukraine. let's listen live to what orban said. he says the following: firstly, he will not give a single penny to the ukrainian-russian war, so the war will end, because it is obvious that ukraine itself cannot stand on its feet if the americans are together with europe. do not give money and weapons, then the war will end, and if the americans do not give money, then the europeans themselves will not be able to finance this war, and therefore the war will end. tell me, friends, what is the difference between orban, trump and putin? well, of course, orbán is the prime minister of hungary, a small country tha

this, uh , well, first of all, orban has been visiting trump for a long time by invitation, orban haseadliners of all conservative conferences, meetings, public speeches organized by trump, or the forces within the republican party that his support that is, it is not sudden, and this this is not orban's first visit. secondly, what is the point of this idea of ​​not giving money to ukraine? the fact is that orbán in this case is trying to use the image of trump, and trump is trying to use the image of orbán. firstly, secondly, they are building themselves, as they call it, the last rational politicians who do not want a world war, who want peace, who promote these ideas, respectively , orbán within europe, trump - within the united states, within the pre-election process , and that is why orban decided to drop such a tough, strong thesis, it should be said, moreover, even trump himself did not voice such a thesis, as you and i talked before, trump's ideas are completely different, but orban is trying to gather around himself and... anti-ukrainian forces in order to resist within the eu

and actually, there is nothing new in all of orbán's recent statements. 2016 orbán is one of the first of the european union and perhaps the only one of the leaders of the european union who supported trump in the first election in which trump... took part 2019 orbán once again appeared as one of those leaders who supported trump when he was this, there was this duel with the current president of the united states of america, so the fact that there is a connection between them, it is no longer such news and absolutely not ... there are no illusions that that they have been communicating with each other for a long time, and what's more, orbán tries on the role of this guide. trump in the european union, and now about the statements, well, look, i have logical associations that russia is now using the entire agent network that it can use to put the world on such, well, if there is a resolution, when... on one side there are words about peace negotiations, on the other side there is a clear understanding that it is necessary to press for the capitulation of ukraine and finish with ukraine

orban needs trump probably more than trump needs orban.ncreasingly isolated within nato and within the eu. that you tolerated him far longer than i thought they should have. they finally figured out that he's going to try to extort them for everything he can, and in the end, he's still gonna support putin over liberal european values. >> barbara, i'm so sorry, i'm gonna have to jump in just to interrupt you and cut back to the breaking news that we've been promising to bring to our viewers. and that is the news out of washington, d.c.. the results are in, and as expected, in the republican primary, nikki haley is the projected winner of the district of columbia. 19 delegates awarded of 19. let's cross over to nbc news correspondent -- we have been expecting these results. they came in. you are in the room when they were announced. tell us a little bit about the reaction. >> so, it was a mixed reaction here. there's a little bit of shock that we heard when the numbers financed. what we do know is nikki haley when 62%, or more than 62% of th

viktor orban.e minister recommended that tucker carlson's fox news show 24/7, which is one idea. tucker carlson also spoke at that conference. in 2023, they held a second conference in hungary. this time he stayed home. but unless anyone thinks he had losses or enthusiasm for the democracy, tucker carlson put those concerns to rest. >> greetings to hungary, it is all you americans in the audience. you are very brave. i wish i was there in budapest. if i ever get fired and have some time, i will be there with you. but in the meantime, god speed. we are thinking of you, cheering you on. >> while that message aired in 2023 just a week and a half after tucker carlson was fired from fox news, it was apparently pre-recorded. so true to his word, once he was fired, tucker carlson traveled to hungary later that summer to interview his friend, viktor orban. so it seems hungary is a really popular travel destination for the right wing maga crowd. they cannot get enough of the place. and the admiration appear

nick: orban provides a roadmap.s believe that road leads right. >> a little controversial, but that is ok. nick: his critics think the road falls off the cliff. >> he has outsized influence among people who really have the aspiration to stay in power forever, who need to win elections, and want to do it through whipping up culture wars. this is the recipe that can come to a country near you. nick: and whether any of that recipe is served up in the u.s. could hinge on the november election. for the pbs newshour, i'm nick schifrin. ♪ amna: an impassioned state of the union address by president biden served as an unofficial kickoff to the general election. on that and what lies ahead in the race for the white house, we turn to the analysis of brooks and capehart. that's "new york times" columnist david brooks, and jonathan capehart, associate editor for "the washington post." thank you for joining us from philadelphia. let's talk about that speech last night because the numbers are in. according toielsen, huge numbers

here's how trump has talked about orban in the past. >> a great leader in europe, viktor orban, he's prime minister of hungary, he's a very great leader. very strong man. some people don't like him because he's too strong. it's nice to have a strong man running your country, probably one of the strongest leaders anywhere in the world. he's the head of hungary, and he runs it properly, he runs it strong. >> reporter: one other bit of context about the relationship, orban has done something unusual for a foreign leader, endorsed donald trump saying america needs donald trump back. you don't usually see that from foreign heads of state. donald trump loves an endorsement from anybody, including viktor orban. >> he does indeed. . i want to remind folks not just what donald trump has said about these men, but what he has done. breaking every security and diplomatic protocol, having a private conversation of vladimir putin. no record of that talk exists. trump called xi so often, the chinese leader reportedly said he did not appreciate being treated like a mid level official. he shook the h

yes, and what is orban and trump? just because it's warm there, it's good in mr.n decided to rest a little, or why. he rushed there to florida, good evening, i'm glad to be, thank you for the invitation, eh, you know, it's not that it's nice and warm in florida, the two of them are nice and warm, that is, they, you see, they have no well no the chemistry, yes, and this is already an alliance, it is long-term, i would say so, they write letters to each other, that is, i don't want to know it somehow, i'm not trolling, it just happens. yes, that is, they are very interesting relations, here, and specifically to this meeting, yes, that is, it is an election, an election campaign, viktor orbán is participating in the election campaign of donald trump, he has done it before, donald trump has done, participated in the election campaign of viktor orbán in 2022 , he also wrote letters in support of orbán, that's why, for example, a few moments like that, you know, it's not... all political moments, but it's like that, it's trump politics, yes , that is, banon, who is agai

but also we're seeing the trump is learning from orban.t and the second term or a subsequent term is the autocratic breakthrough and the autocratic breakthrough is basically the point of no return or rather it's the point where you can't reverse autocracy by electoral means and i think that that's what would happen if trump were president for the second term. >> have you seen -- i mean, are there examples of countries getting this far where we've had the one term and we're staring down the barrel at a possible second? i mean liz cheney said this morning it would be her last election. you know, take an exit ramp. is there reason to be optimistic? >> well, poland is optimistic. they got very, very far. poland is coming back from the brink right now, and poland is actually instructive in the sense that we're also seeing how difficult it is to come back from the brink. i mean, they're like polish -- because you don't want to do anything in reversing autocratic attempts that is going -- that you don't want to be repeated by bad actors, and so w

maloney, who in this competition for ukrainianness, then viktor orban he can no longer, you know, sayrutal things, that's why his rhetoric is careful now, but fizo, he needs to have his own president, this is mr. pellegrini, he needs to assert his stronger power in the country, and he, you know, feeds his electorate with such a pro-russian delusion, that's why... this is the reality, listen, i 'll ask you a simple question now, it popped into my head, for example, one of the ukrainians has 40 thousand hryvnias, that is, about 100 euros, and there is a choice, and he addresses you, this ukrainian, the family of a ukrainian, go to poland, the czech republic , slovakia or hungary, where he can feel at home, he is not a refugee, he wants to go there for a week to... i don't know, to rest , he has a child there, a wife, and he is going, where would he rather go? look, this here is a very simple solution, this is poland and the czech republic, of course, that is, these nations, uh, well, you know , that is, for me it is actually hungary, departure, yes, yes, but, well, here, look, everythin

now, for years, orban was shunned by both republicans and democrats. but increasingly, trump and the more extreme wing of the gop have come to embrace him. >> respected all over europe, probably like me, a little bit controversial, but that's okay. some people don't like him because he's too strong. it's nice to have a strong man in running a country. >> nice to have a strong man running your country. the former president has embraced strongman all over the world, from putin to xi to kim jong un. so how is that how that he would perhaps like to run this country? well, biden not missing a chance to slam today's meeting. >> you know who he's meeting with today. and down in mar a lago, orban of hungary, who stated flatly he doesn't think democracy works. he's looking for dictatorship. >> we have our team standing by. mj lee is with president biden in pennsylvania, kristen holmes near mar a lago with former president trump. mj, let's start with you. so you were there at that biden campaign event just now where he came out firing against donald trump by nam

florida, and it is very interesting that after the meeting between trump and orbán, orbán already managedl hungarian television that... has a plan to end the war in ukraine, well, the well-known thing is that this plan is to simply stop giving money to ukraine and in this way make ukraine essentially weak, which will not be able to continue resisting russian aggression, well, nothing surprising, yes, nothing surprising, but we understand , that now the fight for the presidential seat has already begun, and trump has every chance to take it over again. if trump wins, don't you think that europe can become polarized in this case, because there is orban, there is fizo, and there may be more other candidates, let's say, who want to be friends with trump and who will not reject the opportunity to do as he sees the solution to this war. how do you see the prospect of unfolding all these geopolitical schedules in the event that trump wins, and... we can already see that some european politicians of such a caliber as orban fully support his opinion. if the people of the united states elect donald

represents, it is clear that orban becomes his own person for him, because orban can also be a link,ecting link with the kremlin, it starts to join into one whole, into one network, i would not separate already of these processes today. the only thing that is not completely clear is how much trump is addicted to. journalists and analysts believe that trump is under the illusion that he can negotiate with putin to stop attacking, and that when trump realizes that he really can't do anything about it, he will change his policy. how do you look at this question? the nature of this dependence of trump is not understood, maybe he is somehow dependent historically, maybe because of personal friendship. perhaps some people think so, he has such a character, it is about what, because he's a narcissist, that kind of narcissistic leader, so maybe some are like that too , he might think he's going to do something and then it turns out he can't do it, but you know, we're talking about somebody wanting to experiment on the living organism of the whole of europe, that's the point, because somethin

orban is the autocratic prime minister of hungary. he took over the constitution and the judiciary and changed hundreds of laws, shut down independent media and spoiled european efforts to advance democracy in ukraine. there are elections in hungary, but they don't matter. it's scary stuff. what's even scarier is when amanda carpenter writes in "protect democracy." trump and his allies, his maga allies are once again rolling out the red carpet for o rshs ban. he'll be welcomed at the heritage foundation and he will meet trump this coming friday at the mar-a-lago estate. the same lair where authoritarians love to play and where our national security documents are hidden in the bathroom shower. the trump gang and the heritage foundation are building the infrastructure to take down our democracy. and they are much more dangerous the second time around. carpenter, who used to work as a senior staffer to republican senators, writes for the bull work, orban is well on his way to staying in office for the rest of his hief. on that, too, trum

of the conversation, a lot of folks on the far-right are praising viktor orban. they had a cpac conference if i'm not mistaken, in hungary at one point over the last couple of years tucker carlson went out there and so on. and trump has been praising viktor orban out on the campaign trail. what, what's that all about? >> well look i think, the danger here is that trump has said on many occasions that when he becomes president, he's going to end the war in ukraine in one day. and you wonder why would it take him so long? i mean, he's obviously a very capable guy, but more seriously, this is someone who would be pushing zelenskyy very hard i'm to accept a partition except ukrainian occupation from the russians of their land. and also you know, basically get a ceasefire for that. now, if that happens, many american allies will strongly opposed trump and will align with the ukrainians, but not viktor orban. his policy would be, let's normalize with russia. let's start trading with them again, it's only hurting our economy. let's work with the americans. and when or b

he called viktor orban, the president of turkey at one point. so let's remember that, but no, i mean, look, this is viktor orban has become almost like bukele and el salvador, some meme for the right in terms of strength, you see that he flirts around with almost endorsing putin donald trump does, and viktor orban as a strongman, that since he's in nato and since he's european, donald trump can just outright embrace and that's what he's doing. he's signaling to the base and the republican party that somehow think a strongman like this is good and really all just has to do with making the left mad. that's what he's doing. he's signaling that this is really bad. viktor orban, all you have to do is watch anytime aid for ukraine comes up in the eu, for instance, they always block it until they get some payoff on the side. or even sweden's accession into nato was delayed because viktor orban, turkey, i mean, hungry finally came around and accepted sweden, but he's been very clearly sympathetic to vladimir putin and russia. and i think donald trump wa

orban is in the middle.here is one party rule. trump wants to be these guys. but, the price of that is signing on to this no holds barred, no respect for sovereignty, no care for democracy foreign-policy of putin. putin is at the vanguard of this triangle of sadness between these three guys. it was clear to me orban has been talking to putin and he walks out of the meeting in mar- a-lago with a commitment from donald trump to throw ukraine under the bus and joined the autocrats club if the election goes away in november. >> i was thinking, we had a conversation with jacob pellegrin, last week, who made the important point that in terms of historic parallels, in and around world war ii, there was a faction of americans who were isolationists and he made the point that isolationism is often a misnomer because it veils fascism. and a lot of the people against the u.s. entry into world war ii were pro-hitler, they were pro- . i wonder if you think the same is true in the modern day, whether the resistance to aid

and viktor orban is a strong man. that since he's in nato and since he's european, donald trump can just outright embrace. and that's what he's doing. he's signaling to the base in the republican party that somehow think a strong man like this is good. it really all just has to do with making the left mad, that's what he's doing. he's signaling that. and this is really bad. viktor orban. all you have to do is watch anytime aid for ukraine comes up in the eu. for instance. they always block it until they get some payoff on the side or even sweden's accession into nato was delayed because viktor orban, turkey, i mean, hungary finally came around and accepted sweden, but he's been very clearly sympathetic to vladimir putin and russia. and i think donald trump wants to signal that to his base. >> maggie, we heard from kristen holmes just a second ago that it was orban who was reaching out to the folks at mar-a-lago to try to get on the on the president's schedule from the former president's standpoint. it it certainly see

what concerns you have about trump and orban meeting? say he wanted to use them to impress orban conversation. >> i would imagine not, just watching in terms of how long it is been since former president trump was in office. he wasn't particularly into the details when he was in office, regarding intelligence briefings , from what we understand. so it will be hard to imagine what he would be able offer. i think the biggest picture in the strangest thing about all of this is that orban just remove the blockage of sweden entering nato. and at the same point, president trump is quite staunch and negative towards nato. in the same essential week where orban is a gateway for nato expansion in many ways, you have a meeting with former president trump, who is very negative on nato and the alliance, and the support for ukraine against russia. it is a weird juxtaposition over the last two weeks. >> maybe they are not in sync exactly on that particular issue. but let's talk about the u.s., who you know that will build that floating peer off the co

trump has repeatedly bragged about having orban's endorsements for his 2024 campaign. at a dinner friday, he fawned over the hungarian leader. >> there is nobody that's better, smarter, or a better leader than viktor orban. he's fantastic. [ applause ] as you know, the prime minister of hungary. does a great job. he is a non-controversial figure. he says, "this is the way it's going to be," and that's the end of it, right?

orban comes here to speak. used, an urban rural divide like they have in hungary where urban people think what orban is doing doesn't make a lot of sense, yet he wins with the rural vote. a hard line on immigration. and that immigrants will dilute hungarianness. >> it is uncanny the parallels. and they do expend to putin, too, who relies on a rural base and has opposition in saint petersberg and moscow. but these, they have tapped into this resentment to try and not simply win elections in the united states. but overturn what they call the regime. if you talk to conservatives today at the heritage foundation, they don't consider us to have a legitimate government. they are talking about christian nationalism and refer to the government here as a regime. regime means they can be toppled, overturned and replaced with an autocracy in their mold in what they see as the right way to govern the united states. >> so the similarities to hungary, is these, this creeping fascism, it is given. that power is given to the l

have you ever been surprised or true that your uncle showed such sympathy for people like orban, ilsi things that should concern everyone about donald is that he has never developed. further than the type of person he was in his youth. and this is not at all surprising, because he grew up in a family where everything was subordinated to authority, and thanks to the fact that my grandfather was an outright sociopath. donald became the favorite son and knew what he needed to do to remain in his grandfather's good standing, so he is very comfortable in this environment, and it is extremely important for him to benefit from communication with such powerful people as orban and putin, but also don't be on their side. recently the australian prime minister spoke about him and putin. i met with trump and putin. trump is in awe of putin. when you see trump with putin, as it was. several times, he looks like a twelve-year-old boy who came to school to meet...

victor orban has been transparent.liberal democracy, is what he calls it, which is a contradiction in terms. he has embraced the reality, far right nationalist who demonizes the other, the immigrants, liberal elites, whoever is in his firing line in that given day. he's used his power to essentially silence critics and ensure that his party remains in power. he has essentially a mussolini agenda. trump inviting this guy to mar- a-lago is the same as if you invited mussolini for a weekend getaway in the 1930s. let's be clear, not giving ukraine aid is a choice. if you can call it isolationism, but it is a choice to cut these people off and allow vladimir putin to run roughshod over them, when that serves no other interest other than the kind of continued momentum behind this strongman autocracy in the world, which the republican party seems to hold in such high esteem now. we have to recognize, it's a choice to cut the cord on ukraine in this manner. and what it's going to do is put wind in the sales of not just britain

who but orban, is financially dependent on the kremlin, this does not mean that he is being bribed,t it is the supply of oil to the urals and these are surplus profits of the mol corporation, this is the paksh nuclear power plant and a loan, which it is not clear how hungary has been using for 10 years, and this is a project for, well, for... encrypted, well, they also have other joint ventures there, they make wagons and so on so on and so on, so orban has to to be against, so it's not a fact that he will block something, but he must be against, uh, then one more question, until july 1 , belgium will preside over the eu, and then hungary, to what extent hungary's presidency of the eu can affect the start of enlargement negotiations the european union, because ukraine claims to be a member of the european union, well... you know, even without the presidency of the eu council, hungary with its european commissioner for enlargement, this is oliver vargei, so this is already his mandate, if it ends, and obviously hungary , well, the big questions that she will have as a european commis

on the campaign trail said orban is looking for dictatorship. trump has said he could end the war in ukraine within 24 hours. orban said the former president laid out a plan to cut off aid to ukraine, saying, that's why the war will end, because it's obvious that ukraine cannot stand on its own two feet. the trump campaign tonight not denying that the former president said those words, telling us that if trump is re-elected, it would be his top priority to negotiate an end to the war, but still not providing any detales on just exactly how

viktor orban. all you have to do is watch anytime aid for ukraine comes up in the eu, for instance, they always block it until they get some payoff on the side or even sweden's accession into nato was delayed because viktor orban, turkey, i mean, hungary finally came around and accepted sweden. but he's been very clearly sympathetic to vladimir putin and russia. and i think donald trump wants to signal that to his base. >> maggie, we heard from kristen holmes just a second ago that it was orban who was reaching out to the folks at mar-a-lago to try to get on the on the president's schedule from the former president's standpoint, it certainly seems to have been not only just a meeting of the minds, but also makes sense to have a contrast with the current president. >> yeah, i think there's a bunch of things going on, anderson. it's also worth remembering that the former president hosted viktor orban at the white house in 2019. this is not some new relationship. the former president has certainly rat

donald trump met with hungarian prime minister viktor orban. just for our viewers, to remind them, viktor orban doesn't believe liberal democracy can work. he's packed courts with loyalists and seized control of media outlets. he's friends with putin. he's friends with xi. this is what trump said about orban on friday. >> there's nobody who is better, smarter or a better leader than viktor orban, the prime minister of hungary and does a great job. he's a non-controversial figure because he says this is the way it's going to be and that's the end of it, right? he's the boss. >> do you think viktor orban's leadership is something that trump aspires to in a second term? >> think the best way to judge president trump's second term is by what he did in his first term. you know, russia didn't invade on president trump's watch. hamas didn't try to destroy israel on his watch. the afghanistan -- the taliban weren't in charge on his watch. here's what i would say. if you're worried about the world being on fire, you're right. if you think joe biden's po

he talked to trump and at least that’s one thing , this orbán himself betrayed that trump not ready tont, well, that's all we are we assumed that we knew all this in principle, but here he clearly stated what the matter was, so that no one can have the slightest illusion that trump could beat something, well, he could ukraine... could, well, of course, trump , being trump, it's quite possible that he's lying , it's quite possible that he said something so stupid to him because he just thought it was especially wise at that moment, you know, we 've talked about it before, he's unpredictable, so who knows , what he really has in mind, but of course, it would be better if he told orban said yes, i support ukraine, tanks, rockets and everything, and even if he was blubbering then, but... there would be no feeling, we would like it, we would like this lie, obviously, of course, well, but for orbán it is it is a big risk, if it is black and red, it is roulette, if trump becomes president, then he is king orbán, and if biden continues to be president, then he is zero, and if this, that is, it

what do you think of trump meeting with viktor orban. he is the dictator. is that too strong a word of hungary. i mean he's a secretarian. >> he's as close as it gets in the western world. >> he was elected, but so was hitler, right? >> and he seems to be elected over and over and over again. yes. but i think actually most americans know nothing about viktor orban, so it probably has no impact on his electability. >> and i would agree with that. you're right. >> so i that's true. yeah. >> but can we educate them a little? yes. you're we are on a country. we're on cnn now. yeah come on. >> so yeah. >> who is viktor orban? >> there's a country. it's called hungary. you may have heard of it. it's part of my heritage. yeah. >> it's hungarian, it's amazing. >> and it is on eastern europe. and it became a part of the european union. but it is definitely the most difficult member of the european union. yeah. >> you used to be part of the soviet bloc. was part of the group with with east germany and poland and czechoslovakia and allies with hitler in world war two.

he was asked about orban's claims and did not deny. >> them viktor orban said you told him you wanted to cut funding for ukraine as soon as you get there, words to that effect. >> yeah. >> is he correct? is that the plan. >> first of all, he is a fantastic guy, and he's taken in no illegal immigrants, he takes in -- he runs his country very tough and a lot of people don't like it but he runs it very tough and it does very well and there's no crime. what i told him is europe is spending a tiny fraction of what we're spending and the european nations, they should be paying the same. their economies are approximately the same size if you add them all up, it's close to ours and they're in a lot more danger than we are. we have a thing called an ocean between us, right, and they don't. so, they're spending -- they have $100 billion, probably more than that less spending on ukraine than we do. they should be spending money. i had the same thing with nato. they weren't spending on nato. i said you got to spend on nato and they did once i said it. i said i won't protect you. i would not prote

represents, it is clear that orbán is becoming his own man for him, because orbán can also be a connectionwith the kremlin, it is beginning to unite into one whole, into one network, i would not separate these processes today. the only thing that is not fully understood is how addicted trump is. journalists and analysts believe that trump is delusional that he can negotiate with putin to stop attacking, and that when trump realizes that he really can't do anything about it, he will change his policy. how do you look at this question? the nature of trump's addiction is not clear, maybe he is somehow addicted historically, maybe because of a personal friend. because maybe some people think so, he has such a character, it is said that since he is a narcissist, this type of narcissistic leader, then maybe some people also think so, he may think that he will do something, but then it turns out that he can't do it, but you know, we're talking about someone who wants to conduct experiments on the living organism of the whole of europe, that's the point, because at stake is something other than tr

orban also called trump a man of peace. donald trump talked about that meeting on cnbc earlier. >> i just had viktor orban, the man from hungary, he was at my place in florida. very friendly, but i have respect for him. he made a statement. i thought it was a wonderful statement. he said, we will solve the problems of the world of donald trump comes back. he said russia was afraid of him, taught china was afraid of him, we had no problems whatsoever under trump. >> remember, viktor orban is a far right european leader who has kept very close ties with russia throughout its war against ukraine. with that, let's get some smarter with the help of our panel tonight. susan glasser is here, staff writer for the new yorker, she co-authored the book the divider, trump and the white house, 2017 to 2021. sam snyder joins us, a veteran journalist and white house editor for politico and senior political analyst matthew dowd, a former george w. bush strategist and founder of country over party. susan your first thought, we are shifting

so orban didn't censor people instead he used tactics. he used business pressure on advertisers who advertise in independent media. he would say, you really want to place that advertisement because you might lose your government contract if you do. >> he used he cuts he cut funding for all kinds of advertising that the government used to do. in other words, he put business pressure on media in order to put it out of business and eventually over a period of time, he succeeded. and that's something that's never been tried in the united states, certainly not with the federal government seeking to put media out of business on purpose. but it's something we could see. i mean, it's something that others have tried to imitate or bonded it. the previous polish government that lost the election in october tried to do it. others, others have seen this as a kind of example absolutely there's no question about i mean you look at press freedom organizations. they have basically called viktor orban a press freedom predator in his country. so that's obv

prime minister viktor orban.ike progressivism, we've already done that. we did that under. the communists, he said when he was in college, even things that they were learning like were very similar to critical race theory. so, you know, i can't tell you everything, but if you read the book, you will see so many parallels withxi what progressivism i always do because it's not progressive. it's retrogressive, it's destructive to a society by cutting children's body parts off. who would have thought we were allowing, you know, millions and, millions and millions of people into our country. and we don't know who they are. i mean, this is stuff is nonsense. the way that our doj been set against people who agree with the biden administration this is communism. i was really struck by the show trial that happened in hungary and in other soviet. i go to the house of terror in hungary. if you haven't been there because that was the headquarters of, both the nazis and. down in the bottom is a dungeon where both of them tort