the director was -- >> oren moverman. >> jimmy: oren moverman, yeah. >> incredible director. we met -- he had written, co-wrote "i'm not there" the bob dylan movie with todd haynes. directed and co-wrote. >> jimmy: "time out of mind" is a bob dylan album. the name of one of his albums. >> it is. and it actually goes back. the earliest we found was a a queen mab speech of horatio, in shakespeare. >> jimmy: yeah, you don't have to tell me twice. [ laughter ] google it one second there. yeah, yeah, you're right. [ applause ] you're right, you're right. queen mab. yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> directed "romeo and juliet." but that was the first place that we found it. and poets over the years have quoted that, since the, you know, what was 1490, whatever it was he wrote that play. meaning what? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: isn't this fun coming on? >> it's really fun, yeah. >> jimmy: it's like a puzzle. >> the most fun i've had in a a long time. >> jimmy: like a tug of war. >> time is a function of mind. and especially in a movie like this where we -- time only works when you're in the st

>> charlie asked me who wrote this, it was oren moverman.eat writer. >> rose: what an exchange. we played app lot. you have to be opening to what's happening and in flow with it and be in character so that you're alive no matter what's happening. we were shooting with no extras. >> rose: if you had a magic wand, what would you do to change society's attitude about the homeless? >> oh, we have to start from ground zero, and the transition is are we in this alone from our side or are we in it together? that's the basic decision we have to make. do we work with those of us who are having problems? are they really our responsibility? or are they an annoyance to be avoided? and that's the decision we have to make as a people, as a culture, as a society, as a planet, are we in this together or not? with all the issues going on, and homelessness -- charlie, from my side, i don't see homelessness as a new york story. but you pick up the newspaper today -- north africans syrians, iraqis, migrants, displaced people, people looking for their place in t

[sarcastic laughing] --oren: immunotherapy moverman is a terrific writer. we played a lot.ave to be open to it and be in character. we were shooting it. those were not extras walking by. that was new york. charlie: if you had a magic wand, what would you do to change society's attitude about the homeless? richard: we have to start at ground zero. the transition is, are we in this alone from our side, or are we in this together? that is the basic decision we have to make all stop do we work with those of -- make. do we work with those of us who have problems? are they our responsibility? that is the decision we have to make as a society, as a planet. are we in this together or not? it is not just homeless this. -- homelessness. adon't see homelessness as new york story, but you pick up today, syrians, iraqis, displaced people who are looking for their place in the universe. where can they be safe? where can their families be safe? what do we do about that? how many billionaires are there in the world right now? more and more every day. hose kindve ty of problems? charlie: yo