did any of you speculate in print or are we more into speculating orley? >> let's just remind everyone that this cleared the way with gay marriage and california. including the standing of the pellet level and according to the chief justice, the court said no. but the robert barnes split came the same day we saw very clearly which five justices decided on the elimination of doma, and that was the predictable line of justice kennedy writing to the majority, was joined by for more justices. but then the standing on prop-8, i think that we can all intellectually agree that they were supporting the standing issue. and i think it sends a signal that the liberal justices are not ready at this point to say anything definitive about gay marriage rights. >> i think that their hands will be forced when they do it. >> we struck it down in 1967 when they were 16 states left. >> that is tough to get to. because most of the states make it so that they can't. they overturn a constitutional amendments in states that don't want to do it, it's going to be a lot harder thing