ornelas is right.e wasn't a veteran, but he's a veteran supporter and a veteran server. look how he created this book, and it fell into my hands through the american gi forum. it was featured at one of the conferences or on a newsletter, and i purchased it, and i've been reading the stories, and rudy has walked a road, the kind of road that him and others have walked, and we need people like dr. ornelas to tell that story. that's what la raza historical society is about. we wanna include our stories and be the publishers and the tellers of our own narrative in how we have served. we are not glorifying war. we are glorifying service. i think each of us would agree that we would love to create a world in which war was no longer used as a means to solve a problem, but thank you for the show today. damian: no, you got it, this is a wonderful opportunity to talk about this as we're getting close to veterans day. well, dr. ornelas, i had a guest on the show. his name was dave gutierrez. he wrote a book calle