want to follow up on a list of all of these and you can go to that page itself archdiocese.work --.orrick but i wanted to reduce you to father john who is a jesuit priest and thicker in san francisco. >> great to be with you. >>chris: you recently published an article that will be published in the newspaper. it's a great introduction to what were going to talk about. what is it? in secular society we get a lot of our views and they tend to follow different trends and secular culture does not necessarily mean that everyone believes that. there's different accent groups and things like that but over time they have input and influence and they can have influence on institutions which can be positive or negative. a little example that i used because i think it's good involves ice cream shopping. over the past 48 to 50 years when you go into one of the shops they have lots of brownies cookies, other little sweet things that you can have. that has been the trend where you can imagine that there would be one ice cream shop that said we make good ice cream and that's what we want to stick to so t