and so i think we've got to move a little bit faster than orrin hatch, senator hatch, is saying.delay, delay. you know what delay has come to mean? death. >> let me just ask you finally before i let you go, congressman, you just came from the caucus. >> yes. >> is the mood "we've got to do something" what the bottom line is? we'll go over the cliff, flag flying for the public option, all or nothing? or do members want something so that they're not facing the voters next year with a failure? >> everybody wants something meaningful. but they want to make sure that we don't put ourselves in a situation where we are either worst off than what we are now. they want to make sure that we do not find ourselves taxing our generations yet unborn. i think -- i really do believe, though, that the president is going to come out and do what he did during the campaign. he's going to show us the way to put it all together, republicans, democrats, together. i do worry, though, and i am concerned about republicans saying they're going to come along with us. i don't think we'll get many republican

for instance, you talked to senator orrin hatch, sits on the instrumental finance committee, wrote to the president, ensuring access to affordable and quality health care for every american is not a republican or democrat issue it san american issue. our nation ex-specs us to solve this challenge in an open, honest and bipartisan manner. i would urge you, again this is to president obama, to take this historic opportunity to push for a responsible and incremental health care reform plan that can gain significant support on both sides of the aisle. do you think that hatch is moving forward with the assumption that there are some republicans who jnt just willy-nilly going against anything that has to do with health care reform? >> you have thank has been proven, chuck grassley, mike enzi, olympia snowe part of the gang of six, orrin hatch, bob bennett from utah, republicans that talked a lot about health reform, they want to be in the mix but they have a feeling that things like the public option things like the employer mandate, nonnegotiable, they want to see some more compromise, mor

a one-word response from senator orrin hatch. and the white house seems to be focusing on their czars, and george bush had some, too, but there is a huge difference. (announcer) we understand. you need to save money. neil: all right, well, as you know, the president has said that the savings is going to pay for the health-care reform. the only way to pay for the big spending, another person says, is the big tax hikes, says senator orrin hatch joins us. how big of a tax hike? >> i am not going to support a tax hike when we have the ability to fix the health-care system in our country and make it work, but, look. like i said. there are millions of people in this country. 47 million uninsured, and the president said 30 million at the joint session speech, and there are the 6 million who work for companies that have health insurance but they do not buy it, or you take the 11 million that qualify for chip or medicaid and do not enroll in it, and you take the others who can afford its, the undocumented workers, and you get down to 12 m

we appreciate you both being with us, senator orrin hatch and senator sanders, thank you, gentlemen.> got to love a good debate. senators bernie sanders and orrin hatch. >>> and other stories that we're following tonight, is annette. >> reporter: tonight we're looking at disturbing new details about phillip garrido, the man accused of kidnapping and holding jaycee dugard for 18 years and fathering her two children. 15 years before kidnapping jaycee dugard, garrido attacked -- garrido asked paul for a ride in her car and then kidnapped her and brought her to a warehouse in nevada. he captured another woman that day but she escaped. he served just 11 years of a 50-year sentence. garrido was also charged with raping a 14-year-old girl in 1972, but a child was never held because the victim refused to testify. >>> and san diego chargers linebacker shawne merriman was arrested yesterday and accused of choking and restraining his girlfriend, reality television star tela tequila. he was released from jail late sunday morning, merriman's attorney says his client commit nod wrong doing and he

orrin hatch has tried two amendments to make it a little bit more clear from his point of view.there are many people with deeply held views that don't want their taxpayer money used in this way. what was interesting is two women on the committee, senator cantwell and stabenow said a woman have to choose a rider on her insurance policy that would cover abortion services. the senator said to anticipate that a crisis, in their words, of unplanned pregnancy would be anticipated and that women would buy that insurance in advance was illogical to them. they really strongly took offense. they even used the word that they were taking offense. so it got very personal. and, at the moment, those amendments are failing and everyone is in agreement they don't want to expand abortion coverage but, again, the details that matter in this debate. >> fascinating reaction. you pointed out senator stabenow said as a woman, i find it offensively. i guess i meant there by the heat. >> oh, yes. >> a female member of congress saying this is offensive you will get the attention of women rights groups. h

republican senator orrin hatch of utah joins us now.ight in that very powerful, very emotional appeal with the last will and letter of senator kennedy to president obama, calling for health care reform. does that move those of you who worked so closely with ted kennedy to try once again to reach a bipartisan solution here? >> well, i'd like nothing better than to reach a bipartisan solution, but the president was long on rhetoric and not a lot on the facts of the so-called plan that he's talking about, and i have to say, you know, when he promises that you can keep your own insurance and that your own plan that you want, that he's not going to raise taxes, there's not going to be any, you know, that you'll be able to, you know, continue just the way you are -- well, you know, any time washington makes those promises, you know darn well they're never kept. so, he's a long way from being able to put together a bipartisan plan with what was mentioned last night. i thought the speech was great, as usual. he's a wonderful speaker, but it was

orrin hatch joins us now. thank you for being here with us. from the bill that comes out of max baucus' finance committee. >> 8 trillion dollar bill that can -- a trillion dollar bill that can insure all americans, not increase the deficit, and meet budgetary standards is a bridge to failure. the way they are doing this is more and more taxes. you either have to increase taxes or cut back benefits to resolve these problems. what they are doing is they are increasing taxes, not cutting benefits, and trying to put through a government plan one way or the other so we have everything run by a guy in washington. it just does not work that way. jon: president obama said in his big speech that this would not increase the deficit by one dime. >> already, it is a quarter of a billion dollars short. senator baucus, who i admire, is trying to come up with something that will please the administration and everybody else, but he cannot. more taxes, more expenditures, less care, and even excise taxes on device manufacturers and others -- everything from --

health- care is that without competition, the prices keep coming up, and that is not -- my friend orrin hatch mentioned medicare prices are going up. they are. so is private-sector insurance, even at a greater rate, said the increase in price is not the domain of the government or the demesne of the private sector. it is rampant in both, and i would say it relates to the structure of the market's -- markets. a, we do not have what the economists would call perfect knowledge. when your doctor tells you that you need a spectroscopy, you do not know if you need it or not, so that is fine. at the same time, you are not paying for it because we either have the government paying for it -- we are not all paying for it directly. we are paying for it indirectly. but you are not paying for tha'' because you're over 65 and are poor and that the government paying for it -- you're not paying for that spectroscopy. why do we have insurance and health care but not in so many other areas? that is because health is the most important thing, which relates to god's greatest gift to each of us, which is life, an

i think there are still stalwarts in the republican party including senator jn mccainnd orrin hatch. they will get together toigure out what they can comfortably fer the president. >> thank you for your insit. we will be watching this debate it carries on, as it will til christmas and beyond. >> thank you. obama hasalled the britis prime minister gdon brown to expreshis disappoinent at the release of the manonvicted of the lockerbie bomng. wning street sd the discussion of al-megrahi ftured only briefly in the discussion betwe the two men. writing has bron out in the ugdan capal. security forces -- te late reports say least seven eople are dead. the stted during protest against officia efforts to stop peeking fromisiting an ea whe it -- to stop fr visiting a area wherehis presence was thought to cause unrest. >> ones in one directio teargas in thether. but t vience took aturn for the woe. ugandan security fors began sing teargas and live bullets, causing six fatalities. police in armored carriers confronted scores writers in the business district where they work- and rioters in the b

i think there are still stalwarts in the republican party including senator john mccain and orrin hatch. they will get together to figure out what they can comfortably offer the president. >> thank you for your insight. we will be watching this debate as it carries on, as it will until christmas and beyond. >> thank you. obama has called the british prime minister gordon brown to express his disappointment at the release of the man convicted of the lockerbie bombing. downing street said the discussion of al-megrahi featured only briefly in the discussion between the two men. writing has broken out in the ugandan capital. security forces -- the latest reports say at least seven people are dead. the started during a protest against official efforts to stop peeking from visiting an area where it -- to stop from visiting an area where his presence was thought to cause unrest. >> stones in one direction, teargas in the other. but the violence took a turn for the worse. ugandan security forces began using teargas and live bullets, causing six fatalities. police in armored carriers confronted

senator orrin hatch of utah, you have a history of working with democrats on health care reform. did the president's speech improve his chances for getting his plan through this year? >> oh, i think it probably did. it was, in my opinion, long on rhetoric and very -- very short on substance. but, nevertheless, it was a very good political speech. too bad that wasn't 2008 rather than 2009. no, it was a good speech, but i really believe the hard work has to be done and hopefully we can -- we can all work together and get it done. but i really don't see it with what they're trying to do. >> let me bring in senator lindsey graham of south carolina. did the president, with his speech, improve or hurt his chances of getting health care reform through this year? >> i thought it was a disaster. i thought it was combative. he -- he's obviously on the defensive. he's lumping every critic in with a demagog. he's accusing us of bickering when we're trying to have major policy discussions. he outlined a $900 billion proposal that doesn't make sense how you'd pay for it. politically, it made i

there was an emotional and at times personal debate between republican senator orrin hatch, who filed the amendment and two of the women on the panel, including democratic senator debbie stevena. >> um, with all respect to my friend, as a woman, i find it offensive. i find it personally just extreme amendment and i would oppose it i would hope that we would vote -- >> mr. chairman, let me answer that i would be the last person -- >> senator hatch. >> i would be the last person on earth who would want to offend you or any other woman. all i'm trying to do is make sure that -- and i don't think this makes it an abortion bill, it just says we are going to codify what we believe to be the case. millions of people, even pro-choice people, do not believe that the taxpayers should have to pay for abortions. >> kelly o'donnell is nbc's capitol hill correspondent. kelly, we have been talking about this today. there was not any yelling but certainly, the tone and the demeanor of that exchange highlight what is we have been talking about with this part of the debate. >> reporter: senators really

senate when he is shouting at the top of his lungs, he would throw his arm around strom thurmond or orrin hatchjohn mccain at the end of the debate and say, did you really mean to say those mean things about me? you know, he just never took it personally. you see what i am saying? tavis: sure. >> the same is true in our family life. he loved being around kids, playing football, going on our camping trips where we would spend the night in a tent in the berkshires in western massachusetts. nothing fancy, hot dogs on the grill, but that is what he really loved. yes, it was a big responsibility, but at the same time i think he loved every minute of it. tavis: to the extent that you can, share with me the conversations that you had with your father when he knew he was battling cancer and the hope that he had it that he could beat it given that he had two kids, a daughter and son, who had beaten cancer? i have to believe that he felt he could beat it, too. >> i think when my dad was diagnosed, tavis, i think he was a realist. he knew the odds. at the same time, he always wanted to keep hope. he was a

a battle, but some of the stalwarts of the republican party, including senator john mccain and orrin hatch -- they are going to get to get there and figure out what they can comfortably off for the president -- they're going to get together and figure out what they can comfortably offer the president. >> thanks for that. thanks to you both. why we are on the subject, barack obama has called the british prime minister to express his disappointment at the release of the man convicted for the lockerbie bombing. downing street said al-megrahi's had featured only briefly in the call between the men. officials refused to comment on exactly what was said. now, the leader of the western- backed coalition in lebanon has given up his efforts to put together a national unity government. june's elections gave his alliance a narrow majority in parliament, and he was asked to form a new administration. looks, though, as though he has failed, and he is blaming the opposition. >> he gave it to a half months of intensive effort, but now, he is giving up. the two sides did reach an agreement on the overall

what orrin hatch is proposing sounds like the baucus bill. tends to be a situation.ing they support are iterations of what is on the table. the range of discussion we're operating in but they don't seem interested in operating within it so you wonder what are you asking for here? >> and that brings us to the importance of getting a bill, a single bill on the table and then having it be open to real debate. in other words, are we going to get there at the very least? >> one would hope. we talked earlier about this now or never idea and a number that sticks in my mind, drew altman looked at how observe we do these sort of major health care reform pushes and how long it takes from one to end and the next begin. the average 19.5 years. so this goes down and we fall sort of trend here, it will be about 20 years until a president comes in with the majority and the will and the energy to really give this another shot. so ths this is a pretty high stakes game here. it's not a good thing to sit in the system and let the current damage continue for another 20 years. >> eric ca

martha: you just heard the president mention orrin hatch. he is our next guest. welcome.is good to have you here. >> nice to be with you. martha: you and senator kennedy worked on a lot of things together. what did you think about the fact of the president broad your name into that last night, reaching across the aisle, trying to get you to cooperate? >> i would like nothing better the president says they are not going to raise your taxes. he will have the same choices you have right now, the whole process is not going to cost more than $1 trillion. none of those things are really true. i admire the president. it was long on rhetoric and pretty short on details. if you look at what has been done, there is a highly partisan bill from the health care committee in the senate. senator baucus has said that he is going to be for a bill that has employer mandates and basically a co-op plan that would be a substitute for the public plan, which a lot of the far left will not accept. i think it will wind up being the same as the public plan. martha: everything you described is what

we've got texas republican john cornyn and his buddy orrin hatch from utah. you know what they're concerned about? a.c.o.r.n. ask yourself the question tonight, folks, you know, we really got to get this health care thing done, but we're really concerned about a.c.o.r.n., too. let's put an a.c.o.r.n. amendment on health care reform. cut me some slack. this is why americans get frustrated with washington. again, of course, there's senator john ensign of nevada who offered an amendment of czars. we have to reel in the czars on health care, don't we? this is all part of the stall game in september. they are trying amendment this bill to death. their motives are completely transparent. listen to the republican senators repeat the same old talking points. this is today. >> artificial deadlines forced us to where we are today. it seems to me that some people in the senate would rather have it done right now instead of being done right. apparently in some circles there's a belief that passing a bill quickly is more important than getting it right. i regret that we r

. >> several republican lawmakers including senator orrin hatch are calling for the f.b.i. to investigate acorn for criminal activity. >> republican congressman lamar smith says the justice department should investigate whether acorn as a whole is a criminal enterprise. meanwhile, there are also reverberations on the state levels. today minnesota governor tim pawlenti stopped all state funding to acorn. bret. bret: let's see if other governors do the same. thank you. acorn has helped hundreds of thousands of african-americans register to vote and like it or not, the subject of race continues to be a part of the story surrounding the first african-american president. senior white house correspondent major garrett will have this story after we return after this break. there was a time i wouldn't step out of the house without my makeup. now, it's no problem. (announcer) neutrogena tone correcting night serum with high performance soy to even skin tone and active retinol to speed cell turn over. clinically shown to visibly fade brown spots in 14 nights. i even out my skin at ni

his friend orrin hatch, he knows that.together to provide children with health insurance. his friend john mccain knows that. they worked together on a patients' bill of rights. his friend chuck grassley knows that. they worked together to provide health care to children with disabilities. on issues like these, ted kennedy's passion was born not of some rigid ideology but of his own experience. it was the experience of having two children stricken with cancer. he never forgot the sheer terror and helplessness that any parent feels when a child is badly sick. and he was able to imagine what it must be like for those without insurance. what it would be like to have to say to a wife or a child or an aging parent, there is something that could make you better but i just can't afford it. that large-heartedness, that concern and regard for the plight of others, is not a partisan feeling. it's not a republican or democratic feeling. it too is part of the american character. our ability to stand in other people's shoes. a recogniti

republican senator orrin hatch representing the only state in the union that begins with the letter u. so it begins. the next phase of watching government sausage made among hundreds of amendments senator snowe and her trigger option for public plan getting the most attention today in a fallback plan to ensure access to affordable coverage. other senators on the committee, democrats calling for the creation of one national exchanges otherwise known as the public option outright. should his amendment covering americans of all ages fail, senator rockefeller calling for universal coverage for children. meanwhile, a republican of nevada not extending coverage to mistress and staffers asking simply to strike the word fee everywhere it appears in the bill and replace with the word tax. that would certainly make it easier for him to argue against the measure in an effort to defeat it. you might think that the senator might want to pass the bill if his amendment calling for transparency and czars survives a snow ball chance in hell. they would cap itemized deductions or closing corporate tax

quite moving testaments from many of his republican colleagues, people like john mccain and senator orrin hatch so many others who spoke about his, the master of bipartisan compromise, the way he was able to be a legislator without compare over the last 100 years. that was really wonderful to see my father actually be able to revel in a lot of those compliments that people had to say about my dad. >> larry: how, though, patrick, did you handle the news that your dad was going to die? how does a son handle that? >> well, it was over a period of over a year that, obviously, we knew that his mortality was imminent, but my dad never quit living each day to the fullest. and, you know, from the likes of it as teddy pointed out, he lived a very full life all the way till the end. he made it very impossible for us to sometimes comes to grips with the fact that this was someone suffering from a fatal illness. he never really let it on. that is mostly what he was like most of his life. the suffering that he had he kept inside. the really beautiful part about having that extra year with him, where he didn

even orrin hatch today offered an amendment to the baucus health care bill singling out and i quote, any state with a name that begins with the letter u to get special federal health care assistance. when your policy suggests could double as skits about the alphabet on "sesame street" it may be fair to say you're not doing heavy lifting in developing legislation. even as republicans become more and more irrelevant to the content of any health reform bill, they are launching new attacks on the whole idea of reform itself. and they're scary. they said it was a secret plot to kill old people and take away veterans health care and a secret plot to deny health care specifically to republicans and even a secret plot to deny care to disabled children, that one was particularly classy. just when you thought they might be running out of groups of americans to scare about what secret plot lurks within health care reform, they found a new one. a new survey says health care reform is a plot to deprive you of health care on the basis of your race. and you know, the president is black. we don't wa

his friend, orrin hatch, he knows that. they worked together to provide children with health insurance. his friend, john mccain, knows that. they worked together on patients bill of

the republicans that voted for it, bennett, collins, judd gregg, orrin hatch, dick lugar, olympia snoi george voinovich. voting against closure on the republican side is webb and lincoln -- democrats, i'm sorry. judge, this does not mean that those people will vote for them, right, just up or down vote? >> right, it means just that they can get away from not voting for him but they facilitated the vote. glenn: how dramatic -- and please understand, cass sunstein, with what you know about him, good friend of barack obama. >> correct. glenn: went to law school with barack obama? >> they both taught together at the university of chicago law school. this is one of his best ideological academic friends and intellectual soul mates. glenn: would you say he is a radical, not in the marxist radical but wildly out of step with the american people? >> i would say he is on the far left of the left side of the democratic party. i would also say he will be on the short list for the next nominee to the supreme court to replace whoever resigns next. glenn: to the left of justice ginsburg, holy cow. ha

his friend, orrin hatch, he knows that. they worked together to provide children with health insurance. his friend, john mccain, knows that. they worked together on a patients bill of rs.

earlier orrin hatch went "on the record." senator, nice to see you, sir. >> hey, nice to talk to you, greta. you doing all right? greta: i'm doing fine, senator. i know that you guys are busy. so let me ask you about the big thing you are about busy about this health care reform bill. do you believe that senate majority leader harry reid is going to shove this bill through using a nuclear option and, if so, what does that mean for the senate and for the country? >> if they go by the root of reconciliation, it will be the first time that a bill of this substance, 1/6th of the american economy is considered in reconciliation. what reconciliation was formed for is to take care of tax increases, tax reductions, budget cuts. it was to make it easier to do that by just a simple majority vote. but, what it means is that you would be doing one sixth of the amerof the american economy in 20 hours, actually probably less than 24 hours with limited amendments, limittually probably less than 4 hours with limited amendments, limited debat

his friend orrin hatch, he knows that. they worked together to provide children with insurance. his friend john mccain knows that. they worked together on a patients' bill of rights. his friend chuck grassley knows that. they worked together to provide health care to children with disabilities. on issues like these ted kennedy's passion was borne not of some rigid ideology but of his own experience. it was the experience of having two children stricken with cancer. he never forgot the sheer terror and helplessness that any parent feels when a child is badly sick. and he was able to imagine what it must be like for those without insurance, what it would be lk to have to say to a wife or a child or an aging parent, there is something that could make you better but i just can't afford it. that large heartedness, that concern and regard for the plight of others is not a partisan feeling.

his friend, orrin hatch, he knows that. they worked together to provide children with health insurance. his friend john mccain knows that. they worked together on a patient's bill of rights. his friend chuck grassley knows that. they worked together to provide health care to children with disabilities. on issues like these, ted kennedy's passion was born not of some rigid ideology but of his own experience. it was the experience of having two children stricken with cancer. he never forgot the shear terror and helplessness that any parent feelings when a child is badly sick. and he was able to imagine what it must be like for those without insurance, what it would be like to have to say to a wife or a child or an aging parent there is something that could make you better but i just can't afford it. that large heartedness, that concern and regard for the polite of others is not a partisan feeling. it's not a republican or a democratic feeling. it, too, is part of the american character. our ability tan

and an hour from now, orrin hatch unveils his plan to hit the reset button on the senate's healthcare proposal. by the way, if you don't get f.b.n. -- >> demand it! neil: glenn is now. [captioning made possible by fox news channel] captioned by the national captioning institute ---www.ncicap.org--- glenn: hello, america. tonight what is happening in venezuela may remind you of something that you're not seeing just under the surface here in america. we'll show you. indoctrination and so much more. tonight, a show you don't want to miss. it's all coming together, isn't it? if you believe this country is great but the government is trying to change america, fundamentally transform america, well, you better stand up. come, follow me. well, hello, america. you know, i've been trying to figure this out, and there is one thing that critics of this program don't understand, that i think out loud, and these are not rhetorical questions that i'm asking. i really want answers. if i'm wrong, please let me know how. help me figure the puzzle out, because that's what this is. life has become a stup

his friend, orrin hatch, he knows that. they worked together to provide children with health insurance. his friend john mccain knows that. they worked together on a patient's bill of rights. his friend chuck grassley knows that. they worked together to provide health care to children with disabilities. on issues like these, ted kennedy's passion was born not of some rigid ideology but of his own experience. it was the experience of having two children stricken with cancer. he never forgot the shear terror and helplessness that any parent feelings when a child is badly sick. and he was able to imagine what it must be like for those without insurance, what it would be like to have to say to a wife or a child or an aging parent there is something that could make you better but i just can't afford it. that large heartedness, that concern and regard for the polite of others is not a partisan feeling. it's not a republican or a democratic feeling. it, too, is part of the american character. our ability to stand in

his friend, orrin hatch, he knows that. they worked together to provide children with health insurance. his friend, john mccain, knows that. they worked together on a patient's bill of rights. his friend, chuck grassley, knows that. they worked together to provide health care to children with disabilities. on issues like these, ted kennedy's passion was born not of some rigid ideology, but of his own experience, the experience of having two children stricken with cancer. he never forgot the sheer terror and helplessness that any parent feels when a child is badly sick. and he was able to imagine what it must be like for those without insurance, what it would be like to have to say to a wife or a child or an ageing parent, there is something that could make you better, but i just can't afford it. that large-heartedness, that concern and regard for the plight of others is not a partisan feeling. it's not a republican or democratic feeling, it too is part of the american character. our ability to stand in other people's shoes,

senator orrin hatch of utah, did the presidents it speech improve his chances forgetting the plan through this year? >> i think it probably did. it was long on rhetoric and very short on substance but nevertheless it was a very good political speech. too bad this wasn't 2008 rather than 2009. but it was a good speech but i really believe that the hard work has tobies done and hopefully we can all work together and get it done but i don't see it with what they are trying to do. >> let me bring in senator lindsay game of. t help or hurt getting healthcare reform passed this year? >> i thought it was a disaster. i thought it was combative. he is on the defensive. he is accusing us of bickering when we are trying to have major policy discussions. he outlined a $900 billion proposal that really doesn't make sense in how you would pay for it. i don't think it advanced the ball substantively and politically made it hard to find the middle. >> chris: perhaps the president doesn't want the middle. did the president resolve the differences between liberals and moderate democrats in congress? >> wel

friends and conservative friends, at one point appeared to be juggling the conversation, pointing out orrin hatchwe do have the votes and not worry about what happens in 2010? >> it's interesting. one hand you have the president of the united states, who is trying to find some republican support for bipartisan solution. to say there are no republicans in the room negotiating, ignores the fact that senator baucus has been talking to senator grassley, senator snowe for months about this. we've been in a tug of war with republican, the democrats have, in the senate talking about this. that ignores some facts. at the end of the day, democrats are moving forward. on one hand, the president wants bipartisanship. on the other hand, democratic committees keep passing legislation to get it through the house and senate even when republicans are totally recalcitrant and do not want to cooperate. >> a lot of people were watching last night and the president said it's a moral responsibility or when he said there was no truth to this death panel story line that had been picked up and you still had conservative

how do you explain mark enzi, orrin hatch, eric cantor and joe pits? put an amendment out on the floor to get abortion out. why would you have an amendment to get something out if it isn't in there? by the way, they lost. >> is the president lying to the american people the other night? when he said there's not going to be money to fund abortions. that's what he says. >> if it's interpreted in hr 3200 there's no provision for abortion, he's wrong. if the one he puts his imprint on, i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. i put out a statement today, all right, let's keep an open mind about this. >> the amendment provides for abortion in case of rape insist of life for the mother. >> we're not talking about that. >> some federal money is already there. the president says there's not going to be new federal money going to it. >> he has to disagree with the people who vetoed the actual amendment by his party. i mean, he can't have it both ways. it's either in there or not. this man has a track record of being a very strong supporter of abortion through te

he went to the republicans, he praised john mccain, orrin hatch, chuck grassley.f them going to vote for this plan, not even come close. but he did it. he threw the sop to the republicans, this myth about medical malpractice is driving up insurance. and he said, well, we'll have test cases. we've had one in my home state of texas and health care costs in texas are increasing faster than the national average. that's what he's doing to the appeal the republicans. he revved up the democrats. independents, who in the elections of 2010 are going to determine who controls the congress, he gave them those insurance reforms. liberal group, democracy corps, our buddy carville helps to run it. i want to give them credit. they tested this notion that the president talked about, about recision. people who pay their premiums but get dumped. like the woman who got dumped for having breast cancer because she had acne. it was off the charts. even with republicans, was repealing this pre-existing condition rule, where your insurance company can turn you down for having been sick.

orrin hatch sent a letter to the president today and here is how it reads.de with senator hatch? >> hard to complain about that. i think that's a pretty rational view how we should proceed, yes. >> what about reconciliation? i'm understanding you have blasted that, sir, as a threat to senate procedure and that you will block democrats from urging that or kayic process, if you will, to pass health care bills here. is what senate majority leader harry reid said about that option yesterday. >> we are still approaching this in the form of bipartisanship. we still, after all these months, have a place at the table for the republicans and we're going to do everything we can to work with them. we want a bipartisan bill. we do not want to do reconciliation unless we have no alternative. >> what are you going to do about bringing together a bipartisan bill? what is your role in this? >> i'm a cosponsor, along with 20 other members of the senate, half republicans and half democrats of a bipartisan bill called the wyden/bennett bill and strongly supported grassley and

reputation for working in a bipartisan basis when the president highlighted his relationship with orrin hatch and with john mccain, i think he was sending a message and this is what this is all about. let's put all of that acrimony aside and focus on doing what senator kennedy would have done. so i think it was a perfect reminder for what is at stake here and what the opportunity and that we really can solve this problem if we work together. >> all right. valerie, thank you very much. great things for making time for myself. we appreciate it. thank you. >> good to see you both. >>> the bigger picture. as far as the speech last night, reaction today should congressman joe wilson be punished in some fashion for his outburst during the president's speech? democratic senator specter thinks so. here is what he wrote today on twitter. there ought to be a reprimand or censure of representative joe wilson to discourage that kind of conduct in the future. joining us is michael burgess, republican from texas. congressman, do you believe that joe women son should be censured in order to try to make sure

senator orrin hatch has many amendments. he is worried it -- there's a part of the bill that would give some states a little harder time to come into compliance with the part of the bill concerning the tax on the very high-cost health plan. many states have more expensive insurance. so, and in the 17 high-cost states they would have this tax take effect and there would be a higher threshold. senator orrin hatch says he is not sure if that is constitutional. one of his amendments is kind of a joke and it says that it would exempt states that began with " u" and that is because his from utah. but i expect it will go through as many as 100 amendments. senator max baucus would like to be finished this week. it is probably optimistic. host: what about the overall timeline assuming the get the market done within the next week? will they be on track to vote on it before the break for october? guest: that might be a little optimistic. the leadership must find a way to merge this with the one from the health committee from july. then

debate over the weekend on radio that we were all talking about it had you these moving eulogies by orrin hatcht obviously the services but mccain and mitch mcconnell and even fox news coverage said liberal lion crossed party lines. everybody said how wonderful and how he crossed party lines. now that he is gone, they can't see how health care can get passed because he is not there to do it. that's like using him as an excuse to bury health care reform with him. you are eulogy guising him and saying he went to your mother's funeral. you loved him, but you can't do what it is he has done his whole career, not a single one of his dear friends can do what he has done. laura: that's not quite accurate though because over the last several months carks clearly, the democrats vice president been saying let's do it for teddy. let's do it for senator kennedy. is he struggling for his life and let's fight for it i didn't hear that a lot over the last several months. only after his death and after the polls show that the public basically doesn't want this owe whole obama care thing do they think that ok t

. >> reporter: but utah republican orrin hatch warned a public option would only make health care more expensive. >> i thought the goal of health reform was to actually make it more affordable. now, let me make a very important point. now i believe that a new government plan is nothing more than a trojan horse for a single-payor system in washington. washington-run programs undermine market-based competition through their ability to impose price controls and shift costs to other purchasers. proponents of this government plan seem to count on the efficiency of the federal government in delivering care for american families since it is already doing such a great job with our banking and automobile industries. >> reporter: senator rockefeller also complained the bill offered by chairman baucus would give private insurance companies nearly half a trillion dollars in subsidies, which low income workers would use to buy coverage. >> it's a subject that i think ought to make all of us very angry, as i think it ought to make us very angry that in the face of all this we're giving them over a h