let me -- then, again, here's orrin hatch. "i get a little tired of hearing the obama approach toward shared sacrifice. he's complaining about the rich being blamed. he is now saying the poor also need to share some of the responsibility. go ahead. >> when you talk about shared sacrifice, you look at what the republicans want to do in the ryan budget which is have $1 trillion in tax cuts while cutting medicare, medicaid, food safety, education, medical research -- >> obama has already cut medicare. >> no, he didn't. >> $500 billion. oh, he transferred. that's washington, folks. we transferred funds. >> we gave them money -- >> we didn't cut. they transferred funds. >> hey, can i finish? >> seriously. a half a billion dollars. >> can i finish one point? >> yes, i can. >> that money was used to plug the donut hole. >> oh, yeah, donut hole. >> you want to make fun of that? >> i'm not. it's that your washington speak is not the reality for people out there. >> just to make one point, i want to show a collage of all the republican

orrin hatch clearly thinks is the enemy.now who thinks he take care of him at wal-mart the next time he shops or sends his staff to shop for him. and even the democrats don't have a high regard in some cases. i think keith certainly does. but the progressive caucus does. but there's a lot of democrats, you know, who care more about some of the fat cats that contribute from wall street than they do about poor people. they talk about poor people in a nicer way, but they don't have a big constituency. and medicaid is a very important system. but as it was pointed out, this is important for middle class people and health care providers. hospitals can't survive without a medicaid program. otherwise, they have to deliver that same care for nothing. >> we'll keep our eye on the medicaid ball as this develops. howard dean, thank you so much for being here. >> my pleasure. >>> coming up -- why is rupert murdoch trying to get away from reporters? even a fox news crew had to chase after him. because the scandal he's facing just brought

they know that the people of this country would rise up and quickly ratify it. >> there you see orrin hatch from utah, he's talking about a balanced budget amendment requiring the federal budget to be balanced each and every year starting in 2023. no chance of that passing. still taxes, richard, republicans refuse to raise revenues as part of this debt reduction package. the president says he's putting entitlements -- there's lots going on behind the scenes, fall back positions, b, c, d, f, all in flux. >> is the credit rating warning that came out later in the week, did that ratchet up the heat to try to get something done during the talks? >> one change we have seen over the course of the last week, now everyone including republican leaders are buying into the fact that this august 2 date is real, yes, there is a hard core group of folks, tea party conservatives, people in the house who simply don't believe it. in the words of one of those freshman is lying about that. if the president's lying then mitch mcconnell and john boehner is lying, and ben bernanke is lying as well. people are st

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orrin hatch maybe? >> absolutely. >> that is the hornets' nest of john boehner's existence. freshman of south carolina who went into the house chappell and came out and said they had collectively agreed after seeking higher power and instructions, to oppose john boehner. >> south carolina has been here before. [inaudible] they are prepared to do it again. >> that was 1861. >> do you have a statute of limitations on south carolina? >> but it is not just republicans. sanders, the independent senator, liberal. he is suggesting a primary challenge to the president. >> not going to happen. there is no way that the democratic party is going to undermine the first african american president in american history. it would be catastrophic. it will not happen. absolutely zero chance. >> his personal ratings remain high enough. >> they are not extremely high. then there is a disenchantment, and it began -- it was always a conflict between a president and congressional delegation of his own party. they know they have different interests. this relationship was really but should last decem

utah senator orrin hatch, the ranking member of the finance committee saying unfortunately this evening the president once again refused to lay out a path to get our nation out of the spending-fuelled debt crisis that threatens the future of 0 your great nation. the president regrettably seems more interested in his own political future than in confronting the significant challenges before us. after last night's dueling speeches, the action now turns to both chambers of congress. where a vote on both the boehner and reid plans are expected this week. boehner's plan officially called the budget control act is slated to go before the house tomorrow. the two-step plan would raise the debt limit $1 trillion through early 2012. and cut $1.2 trillion in discretionary spending over ten years. then, a bipartisan committee would be created to find an additional $1.8 trillion in cuts. that's the house plan proposed by speaker boehner. president obama has threatened to veto a similar plan a few days ago. something senate majority leader, mitch mcconnell urged him to re-evaluate. >> this weekend we

. >> reporter: utah republican orrin hatch says no way to any tax increases. >> i think it's a disgrace that the politicians can't get the budget together. >> reporter: don't you have to stop blaming the other side and actually working with the other side? >> not when they're wrong. not when they're wrong. >> reporter: allen west is a tea party republican. >> i would like to see congressmen and senators stand there and not have a little d or a little r in front of their names. >> reporter: you guys aren't even talking to each other. she's right about that, right? >> you're standing here with a guy that's not willing to put the credit of this country at risk. you're standing with a guy that's not willing -- >> reporter: but you'll vote against a debt ceiling increase. >> absolutely. >> reporter: emanuel cleaver is a liberal democrat. is comomn sense going to prevail? >> well, we don't t ve a lot of chon sense here on capitol hill right now. and the public contributes to that by supporting people who are obstinate. >> so, jon, what happened today? any forward movement? >> reporter: there

once again it's come down to talking about taxes and i have something to play for you that senator orrin hatch had to say about you know who really is at fault here for why we're not getting enough revenue and i hear how their citizens caring for the poor and so forth. according to john. they also need to share some of the responsibility no we don't want the really poor people who are in poverty to have to pay income taxes but there's the one percent of all. and that's going up by the way because of our friend in the white house and his allies i like afterwards we kind of tribal he goes on to say. because i like him too i would really go after him right now but i like my friend down in the white house but really i mean how much revenue do you think is lost because middle class americans or you know lower middle class americans are necessarily paying their income taxes verses the riches of the rich they get to find the loopholes and the largest corporations in this country that use loopholes to pay zero absolutely i mean the biggest the biggest problems that we're having right now is we're deba

on the category of republicans on the fence, they have orrin hatch of utah. and it also lists an independent from vermont . that inread more about today's "wall street journal. " new jersey, for republicans. caller: i constantly contact my representatives of the time. on november 1, i got this letter. he will be pleased to know i strongly support a public plan option and believe it is a critical component of any health care package. i called the very strong opposition. i appreciate you taking the time to express your views regarding this issue. please be assured that i will keep your views in mind. i called the office yesterday, and they would not let me talk. they must have been very busy. they said they want to protect social security and medicare. our representatives from new jersey -- how will they consider my views? i called and said, if he loses the next election, he can think president obama, harry reid, nancy pelosi, who says you have to pass the bill to find out what is in it. host: in the business section of this morning's new york post, they write

i am senator orrin hatch of utah. we are in the midst of the debate about the size, scope, and shape of our national government. it is a debate over whether we act responsibly so our children and grandchildren are not left carrying the burden of unsustainable debt. while the details of this debate change daily, the fundamentals are clear. president obama and his democratic allies refuse to come up with a legitimate plan to confront our runaway spending that has left our country over $14 trillion in debt. he refuses to reform the bankrupt entitlement programs, all while pushing job killing tax hikes. we have been down this road before and republicans will not go down it again. in 1990, congress and the president struck a deficit reduction deal that combined spending cuts with tax increases. unfortunately, while the taxes remained come in the spending strength did not and the debt has only moved higher. the solution to a spending crisis is not tax increases coming in washington is consistently demonstrating that they ca

they're moving ahead, here's orrin hatch explaining why. >> the only reason this administration doesn't want a constitutional amendment is because they want to keep spending the american people's money. and the only reason congressional democrats would refuse to pass it is because they know the people in this country would rise up and quickly ratify it. >> a lot of people look at that as a political exercise, sort of letting the republican base, fiscal contest conservatives and tea party base. this deal on the senate the moving forward, negotiated by republicans and democrats, that would essentially allow the president to raise the debt ceiling before august 2, and then present a list to congress of cuts that they would have to consider. >>> a federal appeals court in san francisco saying the military can continue its don't ask, don't tell policy for now. the court's decision is based on newly provided information on federal plan for implementing an appeal to the policy this year. the decision bars the federal government from investigating, penalizing or discharging anyone pursuant to d

i think what orrin hatch is saying, when you have a soft economy, almost 20 million americans out ofk or looking for a job or underemployed, maybe you don't want to take more money out of the private economy. maybe you want them to create more jobs and invest in america. >> perry, you can respond or mr. franken. but clearly, we're not talking about taxing them more. we are talking about them no longer getting the tax cuts that was taken from the -- why do they keep acting like they are entitled to tax cuts that was put there for them to generate jobs in the economy that were not generated? perry? >> i'm surprised. i think senator hatch's statement will not be given by lots 6 republicans on the campaign trail. it is not a popular thing to say that the poor are not paying enough taxes, which is his point. the tax rates in america are some of the lowest rates they've been in generation peps so not -- whatever you think of the virtue of his position, that is probably not the best particular argument. >> mr. franken? >> well you can call me bob if you want, al? >> all right, bob. >> the a

>> i've known orrin hatch for a long time. i work with him everyday. i like the man. i wish him well. at this point he doesn't have a primary challenger. >> greta: there's a lot of noise he is going to get challenge from the tea party. will you support him? >> i will support whoever is the republican nominee at the end of the day. the voters of utah will make the right decision. i will support our nominee. >> greta: would you endorse him going into any primary? >> i don't plan to get into any primary. i think voters can take care of that women. >> greta: i don't get an answer on that? >> i'm happy to talk about the freedom agenda. >> greta: good luck on your book. >> thank you. >> greta: since we last reported on the news of the world phone hacking scandal that is rocking britain there are new developments. two of murdoch's top executives resigned on the same day. les hinton ceo of news corp's dow jones division and publisher of the "wall street journal" quit friday. and brooks resigned as chief executive of news international. two days later sunday brooks is arrested

and judging from what president obama and republican senator orrin hatch had to say today that stalemate is far from over. >>> i'm willing to compromise. i'm willing to do what it takes to solve this problem even if it's not politically popular. and i expect leaders in congress to show that same willingness to compromise. >> washington has consistently demonstrated it cannot control its urge to spend. that is why the only long-term solution is a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. >> so august 2nd, just about 17 days away, and that's the day when the treasury warns the u.s. will have to decide which bills it will pay, which bills it won't pay. cnn shows us what will happen if the deadline passes without an agreement. >> reporter: it's just over two weeks until the u.s. hits its debt ceiling. and as they keep pointing fingers, lawmakers need to think about this. the consequences could be sweeping and problem found. >> the united states does not default -- >> reporter: news conferences on the debt, more rhetoric, more meetings, ignore it all for a minute. if congress doesn't rai

i am senator orrin hatch of utah. our nation is in the midst of one the most critical debates in generations. it is a debate about the size, scope, and shape of our central government. it is a debate over whether we act responsibly so our children and grandchildren are not left carrying the burden of unsustainable debt. while the details of this debate change by the day, the fundamentals are clear. president obama and his democratic allies in congress refused to come up with a legitimate plan to confront our runaway spending that has left our country over $14 trillion in debt. he refuses to reform our near bankrupt entitlement programs, all while pushing job killing tax hikes. we have been down this road before and republicans will not go down it again. in 1990, congress and the president struck a deficit reduction deal that combines spending cuts with tax increases. unfortunately, while the tax hikes remained, the spending restraint did not, and our debt has only marched higher. the solution to a spending crisis is n

on the other side, senator orrin hatch passing an amendment to the balanced budget to the constitution and solution to a spending crisis is not tax increases. so the stalemate remains. what will it take to break through this impasse. co congressman? >> i think frankly a balanced budget amendment is a diversion. when bill clinton left office, the last democratic president, we had largest surpluses in american history and under eight years of bush, red ink and deficits as far as the eye can see. we immediately cut taxes on millionaires and billionaires and we also started to spend like drunken sailors, so, i think that what we really need to do again is do a combination of both. the president is right when he says there ought to be shared pain, but we cannot even continue to play chicken. you know, when republicans controlled the house and the senate under the bush years for six years, they raised the debt ceiling six times. >> kelly: all right. >> without any spending cuts, so, i think na the campaign rhetoric should be over, let's put our heads together. >> kelly: very good, congressma

and republicans, but judging from the words today of president obama and the republican senator orrin hatch, the stalemate is a long way from being over. >> i'm willing to compromise. i'm willing to do what it takes to solve this problem, even if it's not politically popular. and i expect leaders in congress to show that same willingness to compromise. >> washington has consistently demonstrated that it cannot control its urge to spend. that is why the only long-term solution is a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. >> all right. well, august 2nd. that's the day. we've already hit our debt limit, but they say august 2nd is the deadline. that's the day they won't be able to pay all of our bills anymore. so what happens if we get to august 2nd and there's no increase in the debt ceiling. what happens then? >> the united states does not default -- >> reporter: news conferences on the debt, meetings on the debt, more rhetoric, more meetings. ignore it all for a minute. let's simplify. if congress doesn't raise the debt limit by august 2nd, what happens? >> starting on august 3, the f

orrin hatch says, "we have been down this road before." we will not go down it before. and tax increases. the tax hikes remained, but the spending restraint did not. our debt marched higher. >>> california is expected to have the big traffic nightmare. it has started. they are calling this carmageddon. crews have shutdown the los angeles highway in both directions this weekend to work on a bridge. not just any highway we are talking about here. we are talking about the 405. it is one of the busiest in the country. 500,000 cars pass through that area on an average weekend. that is the live picture right now. all of those drivers have to find a different way around this weekend. officials are telling people to just stay home. the construction company hopes to have the work done before monday's 6:00 a.m. deadline. they have a financial incentive to do it because they could be fined some $72,000 an hour if they don't finish on time. >>> these are your options. quit or be fired. that is the warning from the atlanta school superintendent to the teachers implicated in the chea

they had orrin hatch delivering it. he said "we've been down this road before and republicans will not go down it again. in 1990, congress and the president struck a deficit reduction deal that combined spending cuts with tax increases. unfortunately, while the tax hikes remained, the spending restraint did not. and our debt has only marched higher." we're nine minutes past the hour. let us say good morning to our dear reynolds wolf. yes, it's hot but we've got something exceptional going on this weekend. >> absolutely. temperatures, high temperatures going up into the 90s but with the high humidity, it's going to feel like it's beyond the 100 degree mark, anywhere from 110 to 120 in many spots. we'll show you who's going to get what. that's moments away, tj. >> we'll see you again here shortly. the 405 freeway in los angeles, shutdown this weekend. what an eerie sight that is. look at that, anytime day or night, you're talking about traffic in los angeles, it never looks like this. we'll tell you how folks in that car

under a category that they have republicans on the fence, they list one at -- orrin hatch, lindsey graham, richard lugar, marco rubio, and bob corker of tennessee. the uc is similar thread or a similar pattern to the voting -- do you see a similar threat or pattern to these centers and why they would be on the fence? guest: i see two separate groups in that list of republican senators who you mentioned. one of our the hard-liners among senate republicans who are not likely to be part of any bipartisan deal. they really objected, some hard- liners who have said no even as speaker boehner's proposal, and they would include orrin hatch yesterday, and there were 6 republicans who actually supported harry reid in saying no to the republic -- to the boehner proposal. they said no to boehner because there were more conservative. there are hardliners among senate republicans and there are also a separe group including, you mentioned senator lugar and senator corker of tennessee. they are trying to reach some kind of bipartisan agreement and they would be in a group that to reach 60 to end debate,

i want to welcome senator orrin hatch, republican from utah to be with me today.of a raging deba debate. the federal government now, 14 days away. the gang of six bipartisan has resurrected himself. sent a debt reduction package you can work with. it's time to talk turkey and it could beoows t >> well, i don't know. the devil is in the details. we have a rough draft or an outline of what they would like to do. where is the president's idea on this. he interested he's quite interested in this. >> the gang of six, bipartisan. you have folks from both sides of the aisle trying to hammer this thing out. stay with me here. conservative columnist david brooks, in an article he titled "the road not taken" he says republicans will come to regret this missed opportunity. he goes on, fortunately there are still practical conservatives in the gop who believe in results, who believe in intelligent compromise. so senator hatch, that sounds like you, right? you have a reputation of intelligent compromise. at this moment is your republican party able to compromise because conser

senate kent conrad it described his plan and after that, republican senator orrin hatch response to that plan.r. pre this is an hour and 40 minutes. >> mr. president, falling any leader remarks, the senate will tsume the notion to proceed ton s1323e bill to express the sense of the senate on sharede efcrifice and resulting budgettd deficit with the time until 5:30 equal the divided between the two leaders of the designees ann at 5:30 there will be the vote to proceed to s1323. mr. president, i understandinghd that s1340 is at the desk and ic to create new greeting. r of the bill a second time. >> to cut and balance the federal budget.. >> i would object to any furthed proceedings with respect toin te bill. >> the of junction as herd and placed in the calendar and the provisions ofnd rule 14. mr. president, we are in the midst of a defining debate onof the budget of the united states. all of us understand we have a e debt threat looming over thisave country that's as significant as anything we have faced.mbers ofe mr. president, democratic members of the senate budgetcomh committee have w

dave: all right, finally, we know you are a, quote, definite maybe to run for the senate against orrin hatch a lot of money. what could keep you out of the senate race. >> i don't care how much money he raises, if i run it is about who can do more with less and there needs to be a clean, fresh approach, how we vote in this country and we appreciate that the -- dedication and 36 years he has had in the senate and a lot of people in utah are ready for a change, a different direction, a different perspective and, we'll wait until football season and hopefully we can kick things off. >> dave: we hope to get a football season, too! thanks for joining us. governor rick perry asked people to pray with him and you now he's facing a lawsuit, does the constitution protect his freedom of religion, we'll talk with father jonathan morris when we talk about. when we come back. but i did. they said i couldn't get elected to congress. but i did. ♪ smetimes when we touch ha ha! millions of hits! [ male announc ] flick, stack, and move between active apps seamlessly. only on the new hp touchpad with webos. yo