you and orrin hatch came in together.issues going into this most recent re-election. orrin hatch courted the tea party. you chose another path. any regrets? >> no. i have no regrets. i wanted to be a senator again. that's why i ran for re-election. i'm not condemning senate service or all that happens there. to the contrary, i think it's exciting, a great opportunity for any american. i suspect looking back on my campaign, perhaps we could have done a better job certainly in turnout. turnout in indiana in that primary was very, very low. boone county just northwest of indianapolis, there was a big turnout because of a school referendum, and we won that county. that was my problem. we needed to get our votes out. >> did the -- what did you think of the general election result? did the right person win in indiana? >> oh, i'm not going to comment on that. i would simply say that history is history. my opponent in the primary made some mistakes. i think some very egregious errors. and his campaign ran out of steam. i'm not ce

orrin hatch, lost by one vote.ry reid had to vote know so he could bring it back the they had 59 votes. so the 60th vote could have been orrin hatch, but orrin hatch from utah said no, he couldn't vote for hagel but he also couldn't vote know because voting no would have sent the wrong message. vote can no would have said that we are -- it's okay to obstruct the nomination of a cabinet secretary and block a president from appointing whom he wants in his cabinet. so orrin hatch voted present. by voting present, he voted no. so this is just kind of a double talk you get from these double dealingly republicans. then harry reid who caves in and let's them continue to abuse the filibuster. jerry is up in liberty maine. hey, jerry. >> hey, bill. i tell you i have been so pissed off at harry reid. i think he sold the country out, myself and has nra stamped on his forehead. >> he had the votes to reform the filibuster. right? he did. there were enough republicans all they needed in the beginning of the session every, you k

. >> how about orrin hatch? think he is either. >> orrin hatch, very very familiar with the pop culture of appear earlier generation. make mark yes rubio is this generation's orrin hatch. the other thing, he said a couple of times, i can't imagine being in thenate in 20 years. >> you talked a lot about immigration and he is the point man really on immigration. >> yes. >> more so i think than mccain and lindsey graham. two points, one is his insist he knew on boarder security border security. right in the ignoring the fact that a lot has been done on boarder security. >> i asked him about that. it's true. right? they talk, conservatives say the obama administration has failed. >> right. >> you look at the net inflow outflow of illegal immigrants is basically zero and the deportations are at all all-time high. i asked him about that. what he said was -- i mean i think he is for the say the obama administration failed on this. he said it's bad for people who live down by the border, it doesn't feel so great. there

orrin hatch has a new 8-track tape out that he is marketing through woolworth's. he figures people will just flock to woolworth's to get behind the republican brand. john mccain has a new fragrance out that will be sold exclusively at sears and roebuck. lindsey graham, he came running into the room -- i endorse it, i endorse it. [laughter] you have to understand, we are dealing with a party whose hollywood sex symbol is pat sajak. not a lot of material we can go with. speaking of hollywood, these days there is a lot of talk about the academy awards. i have not seen all the nominees, so it is hard to keep track. i am told that "django unchained" is not a dramatization of ron paul's newsletters. [laughter] "life of pi" is not a biography of governor chris christie. one that i did see was about the iranian hostage crisis -- it deals with a group of americans who undergo abuse, mockery, and a mass demonstration by a furious mob of radicals. john boehner calls that "tuesday." we may soon have another movie star in washington dc. ashley judd is considering a run against

tracy: i guess jack is happy about that but orrin hatch especially. get out your pencil.ot questions. you will answer these. jack at the end i think he handled himself pretty well. he said i didn't opine on any of this stuff. >> exactly. his argument on the cayman islands invest was pretty simple. i didn't even know it was in the cayman islands. i knew it was a hedge fund. i invested money. on the broader question of citigroup as one of the big banks that got into trouble and need attacks payer bailout, the jack lew response was i was coo of a couple units. not financial officer. i didn't have say in investment decisions. if you're going to look for somebody to talk about why the banks got into trouble, i'm not the right guy. i was interested in how to organize the bank, knot how to run the bank. tracy: talk about last night. what do you think? he ran the gamut from investing in manufacturing to preschool for everyone. is any of it going anywhere? >> well, you know, some of it will. not all of it will. some of it was recycled. i thought the most interesting thing was, and

. >> michael: the same kind of thing that is going to happen, utah republican orrin hatch.e. he said quote if taxpayers are going to prop up failed banks they have a right to know what a key executive like mr. lew did at that time. i want to ask you is this disingenuous on hatch's part? he voted for tarp. now he's coming back and owe poes lew for doing exactly what the senate basically instructed these things to do. >> i want oh to give him the benefit of the doubt that they want the public to know the information about people's role with taxpayers' money and considering that a number of people are still feeling pressure in the economy and that the banks and the housing market has not just gone their way, he wants them to give the benefit of the doubt to share the information with the public. but then i think back this is just politics again and showmanship. this is a person who has already gone through vetting of this kind three times. you know, so what's different? >> michael: well, that makes perfect sense. before i let you each go, joe what is your headline on the state

president reagan who reminded us, man is not free unless government is limitedment sound advice and orrin hatcheted this photograph of himself and ronald reagan. and jeb bush is trying to follow in his brother's football, not those, but the baseball ones. president bush co-owned the team and the miami herald saying that he was rebuffed to buy the miami marlins. he's not in the baseball business quite yet. and television tweeting, a face tattoo of her boyfriend's name after first date. you heard right, a russian woman let her boyfriend tattoo his name across her face after one date. and they're now reportedly engaged. and associated press oops, palestinian president mixed up names of leader morsi and ousted mubarak and gaffe at cairo summit. he start today say president mohammed hozy-- and stopped himself short and corrected himself. nothing like mixing up the names of the country's current and ousted leaders, ouch. and donald trump tweeting congratulations to at greta wire on the 11th this anniversary,@fox news on the record. and always enjoyed being interviewed. thanks for the kind words on th

if you wonder if any of this imperiled jack lew's nomination, orrin hatch, one of the republicans whoant after him today preceded his questioning by saying you've done very well today, jack lew, and we can expect the committee will move jack lew. he'll soon be in office as the treasury secretary, maria. >> john harwood with the latest there. we've -- >> heading towards the close. >> heading to the close. 15 markets left. this market has been steady for the last hour or so with the decline of 55 point. >> the question is the individual investor back in this market. >> when we come back the ceo of put number investments will be joining us and are we heading for a correct of some kind? >> and we'll also hear from cisco ceo john chambers moments after the numbers are out and we'll speak with the analysts. [ laughs ] now this is a test drive. whoa! you really feel all 335 foot-pounds of torque. it's chevy truck month! silverado was also recognized for the lowest cost of ownership. hey, what are you gonna do with it? end table. oh. [ male announcer ] it's chevy truck month. now get 0% finan

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among those to question jack lew is republican senator orrin hatch of utah. >> you have stated to support the volcker rule, yet your the chief operating officer for two units engaged in the sort of activities that the rule is meant to prevent. therefore, if you're really -- were confirmed, it could be awkward in which your role as chair of the fsoc you'd be saying, "do is i say, not as i did." >> i was not in the business of making investment decisions. i was certainly aware of things going on and working in a financial institution, learning a great deal about the financial products. but i was not designing them and i was not planning on the maker of jack lew served as obama's chief of staff before being nominated for the post of treasury secretary. the senate intelligence committee has announced it is selling a vote on whether to confirm john brennan as cia director as it waits for more information on the drone program he has orchestrated. on wednesday, a committee chaired i am feinstein reiterated a demand to see all nine classified justice or memos on the supposed legal basis for targe

the final tally 58 for 40 against and one senator utah's orrin hatch voted present. wow, harry you couldn't see this coming, to cow? senator reid has mildly apoplectic after the votes were cast. >> they're filibustering him. that's what they're doing. i'm going to say i'm sorry sorry this has happened. >> john: harry reid showing the lack of outrage and passion he's renowned for. we should apologize for watching filibuster reform at the start of the session. after today's vote, president obama might also agree. >> obama: the filibuster historically has been used selectively for a handful of issues to extend debate. we don't have a 60 vote rule. that's become common practice. >> john: it ain't over until it's over. the senate will likely vote again on the nomination when it returns for a much-needed 10-day recess. if you're wondering why the unprecedented event took place some say they're blocking haigle to squeeze the white house for more information on the benghazi attack, something hagel has nothing to do with. others are backing ted cruz's calls for additional inf

well, if you ask orrin hatch, he says it would lead to an economic disaster. if you ask his republican colleague tom price, congressman, it would get this economy rolling again. according to republican congressman jeff miller, this crisis will throw our nation into another recession. if you ask republican senator rand paul, this crisis, it's a pittance. it's just really nibbling at the edges. no big deal. republican house speaker john boehner says this crisis threatens national security. republican congressman tom cole says fiscal questions trump defense. i can totally see how they are going to win the message war on this thing, right? they just have to pick one of their seven messages on it before deciding to award the points here. how this particular crisis is fought over to some people i'm sure is politically fascinating. to most of the country, though, it is unfascinating. it is not fascinating at all. it seems like the inarguably important and interesting thing here is that we keep doing this. this is how we govern now. between president obama and the rep

that's orrin hatch.ats can say that they have put this to a vote. they have sort of smoked out republicans to get them on the record for blocking this nominee short term. republicans can say they have strong oversight questions that they believe are legitimate and that more time is necessary because hagel just completed his work at the committee, and so the broader senate needs some time to review some of their questions to work through that. at the same time this can be viewed through a political lens that this is meant to weaken chuck hagel as a candidate and in the intervening time his detractors can try to unearth something that might ultimately really torpedo his nomination. all the expectations now are that he does have the votes to be confirmed, but this is a part of the using the rules of the senate to get something from the administration. democrats do it when they are not in power. republicans are doing it now, and it is a function of oversight which in many cases is critical to finding informa

orrin hatch this week in the senate said, listen, if you start doing background checks, then you have to refer to a list, and if you are building a list, that's where freedom goes to die. something along those lines. it's not that it's just the nra. there are other serious elements of the republican party that believe this. that if you put this list together of law-abiding people, the mechanics thing you're going to do -- first they came for the nra, and, you know. >> you have a great piece in new york magazine talking about the -- you use -- the adam lanza used at newtown to sort of tell the story about american gun culture, and i thought this was an interesting sort of insight from the piece. you write "the harvard law professor edward glaeser once wrote a paper explaining that people tended buy the most guns in places where the power of the state and its ability to protect its citizens seemed most distant. rural america and the poorest sections of the inner city. one way of viewing the vogue for assault weapons is that those geographic distinctions have now become states of mind."

. >> speaking of background checks, i don't know if you heard senator orrin hatch's comments. he said that's the way reductions in liberty occur. he says let's refine the system of background checks we have now. if this is the closest thing we have to a sure thing, how sure is it? >> it's still not that sure. you know, a lot of republicans like senator hatch and many others, even ones who are more moderate, just don't seem to be terribly interested in moving on this. now, i think that at the end of the day, if senator reid brings something in the senate and president obama and vice president biden continue to prioritize this and put the pressure on, do you think -- it's possible something will pass. i'm surprised that this is -- has had the political staying power it has. i've seen so many other school shootings and massacres come and go where people talk about action and it didn't happen. but you know, the nra is still dug in, they're not giving any ground. and i think that, you know, as a classic case where you have a very popular support for changes. but it's not necessaril

senator mitch mcconnell of kentucky, the republican leader in the senate, republican orrin hatch of utah, and democratic senator max baucus of montana. all cited by "the new york times" as suspects in that mysterious migration of half a billion dollars from taxpayers over to the bottom line of drug companies, especially the pharmaceutical giant amgen. would it surprise you to learn that over the past five years, amgen has been one of the top ten donors to mcconnell, baucus, and hatch? as for our president -- by attending a fundraiser on the average of every 60 hours during his bid for a second term, he once again broke the record for bringing home the bacon. although the money power that controls congress could thwart everything obama proposed in his state of the union address, there was not a single word in that speech about taming the power of private money over public policy. and so it goes. the golden rule of politics. he who has the gold, rules. can we do anything about it? my two guests think we can. they say that if anybody should own the politicians, we the people should. dan can

he'd actually be better off moving to utah, waiting five years, and running for orrin hatch's seat ifhe u.s. senate. >> okay. former white house senior adviser david plouffe tweeted this about a possible tagg romney run for senate. quote, hidden genius behind romney campaign and wannabe pugilist looking at senate. obama voters for him? hard to see. that's true, but his father did win. >> a different version of his father won. that was the story of the 2012 election, right? the mitt romney of 2002 and really the first i'd say year and a half of his governorship was a popular guy in massachusetts. he was engaged in the job. he was responsive to the concerns of sort of the general election audience in massachusetts. and he decided in 2004 when he threw a lot of money and personal time into an effort to really make inroads for the republican party in the state legislature, it backfired, he said the heck with it, i'm going national. his popularity in massachusetts tanked after that. >> bob, if tagg romney does decide to run, he may face a primary chal lek from the vaunted fox news medical

almost profane in washington now, compromising with the most conservative of senators, including orrin hatchnd many others, who he he was able to broker deals with and change the course of public policy in the country. that's what i hope senator warren is focused on, and i imagine that she is based on how passionate she was in campaigning on these issues back in massachusetts. >> it's something that's been bandied about in the discussion of ted cruise. you know you've arrived in washington when you can not only get the press -- i'm really pair phrasing here. get the press, but also cut a deal. certainly both of them have gotten the press. you'll see about the deal. coming up, it is comparable to the narcotics trade and gun trafficking. the underground ivory market and rise of elephant poach issing threatening the species with extinction. we will talk blood ivory with actress kristen davis and national geographic's brian christy ahead on "now." the patient, presented with a hairline fracture to the mandible and contusions to the metacarpus. what do you see? um, i see a duck. be more specific.

orrin hatch, republican from utah said this week talking to a local newspaper that he thinks this will be a disaster. i think that even rand paul when it comes to his rhetoric on the sequester is part of a very small minority of even republicans, because i think there is bipartisan agreement that this is a real problem, that the american mainstream regular folks are going to feel a real pinch, and it's going to do harm to the economy, the military and public needs. i think rand paul is in the minority on this one. >> of course, the end of march is certainly going to do something as well. they're going to have to figure out what to do with the budget there. in fact, i want to put it to both of you. what happens when we're approaching another deadline at the end of march and this time to avoid a government shutdown? >> well, ed, as i said on the show some time ago, i think we're in for two years of the craziest behavior we've ever seen in washington. not until we get another election are we going to get some sort of sensible, thoughtful how do we develop the commonwealth necessities for

the person who actually introduced the constitutional amendment to do just that, orrin hatch of utah, republican, i testied on behalf of it. and the tea party, the republican party has gone a little crazy of late but they are going to recover their senses. because they have to win immigrant americans. this might be part of it. and states do this. jennifer granholm was governor of michigan. arnold schwarzenegger of governor of california, governors are minipresidents. and so if state does it, if it passed my three states, states have road tested the idea. both parties might be in favor of it. and it adds to liberty and equality it fits the story, th trajectory, e unwritten trajectory. >> rose: what is another one like that. >> direct election of the president. >> rose: there we go. >> because how do we pick governors in states. we don't have a little minielectoral college. here is how we do it in california we count all the votes equally and carefully and if it's close we recount them. call us crazy but that is how we do it in california, in texas, in pennsylvania, we do that in every