lori: we're so pleased to be joined by senator orrin hatch, the ranking member of the committee. questioners as you heard from peter's report former irs commissioner douglas shulman and acting commissioner steven miller. senator, we like to begin with the sound bite we just heard, asking mr. miller why he misled you and lied to the american people. >> i did not lie. you said he lied by omission. why you satisfied with the any of the testimony? >> no. he was giving excuses all the way through the hearing. miller are, i sent two letters, signed by a number of republican senators, we were very concerned about this. in both cases asking him about these problems and he is special little -- especially the irs asking for don't nor lists contrary to their rules and contrary to the law. he basically and, he just basically sent letters back that didn't have any reference to what he knew and how he knew the irs was not doing what was right. so that is why i said to him, you lied to me. lori: it is frustrating indeed why does it seem like we're getting nowhere with this investigation? we had

>> and you said about orrin hatch.potential to vote for the gang of eight immigration proposal. we'll see what he ends up doing on that front. but there is no doubt that this you althoughs president obama political enemies to be able to score points to make the current administration have to believe on certain things. but someone like orrin hatch saying that now on tax reform. the question is once people from the irs, once everyone has their day in committee hearings, and if the conclusion that was reached by the inspector general is also the conclusion that's reached on capitol hill is that this was specific to the agency, this did not go into the obama white house or any other political folks in the white house, in the administration, but it probably doesn't have legs is a huge political scandal that we're going to be talking about for months and months. >> thank you very much, mark. i greatly appreciate you coming on with the "first read." >>> the same jury that convicted jodi arias of first degree murder now hearin

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they got orrin hatch which was kind of the surprise.of the vote that they wanted to get but weren't sure they would. then you also obviously got jeff flake and lindsey graham because they're both the republicans in the gang of eight who are in the committee. >> bill: all right. so what does it look like on the floor? 60 votes? shouldn't need 60. will it get to 60 for cloture? >> harry reid thinks it will. what i meant to say before is he has the five republicans presumably in the end if he can keep orrin hatch and then he has john mccain and marco rubio the other members of the gang of eight. so he says he only needs to get a few more, get all the way to eight republicans, keep most of his members and get most democrats and then get to 60. but he seems to be the most optimistic on that. >> bill: that, of course, is only the vote to begin debate which should happen next week. correct? >> yeah. you have some people, john cornyn didn't vote for the bill in judiciary. but he said he would vote for the bill to move forward for debate. so i t

we're joined by senator orrin hatch, republican from utah. senate finance committee. that is the committee that has jurisdiction over the irs. senator, we were speaking the other week what these hearings would produce. the big question we all have, how close are we to finding out who is accountable for this? >> well, senator baucus and i, the chairman of the committee and i as ranking member, sent a very extensive questionnaire to the irs and we should get the answers back by may 31st. hopefully that will shed some light on this but right now the investigations both in the house and senate are just preliminarily going ahead although we did have the former commissioner and the acting commissioner in yesterday as well as the, as the investigator who investigated this problem. he didn't really investigate it. he actually audited which is a far cry from investigation. so there's a lot we have to learn. there's a lot we have to go into and we're going to have to follow up on this like we should. jenna: senator hatch, one of the things that the fol

. >> reporter: not just orrin hatch referencing the irs scandal. democrats and the president's loyalists are also troubled by it and the associated press scandal. listen to senate majority leader harry reid on the justice department's monitoring of the associated press telephones. >> i don't know who did it, why it was done but it's inexcusable and there is no way to justify this. >> reporter: watergate really gained a lot of steam when republicans started desserting president nixon the obama administration is also hearing really for the first time, jenna, intense criticism from a lot of its supporters from the media, from chris matthews this morning, maureen dowd in a column in "the new york times." "politico" had a scathing piece this morning on the damage done to the white house by these scandals. jenna. jenna: we'll speak with senator hatch coming up in a little bit. we'll ask him about the comparison because he has been in office for so long. it will be interesting to hear what he thinks about this, doug. the president hasn't been linked direc

included lindsey graham and senator jeff flake and orrin hatch. in the world news section of the financial times, on immigration reform -- that language is not part of the immigration bill. so here's the headline in the new york times -- again, we covered the marked up in the senate judiciary committee. so go to, to c-span.org. john in prescott,. arizona,, good morning. ?aller: how are you what is being done in that tornado alley that cannot be done anywhere else? earthquakes might happen every 100 years or 200 years, but those tornadoes happen almost every year. if you don't have the resources to thefor six weeks during tornado season, then you have no business living there. if you love that area of the country more than you love your children and animals, then you get out of there. you know? it is like katrina. why would you want to raise children in an area that is below sea level? if you love your children, moved. why should the government responsible for rebuilding something that is going to continuously happen? sandy was a freak thing. so th

and steve miller, the acting commissioner since he left, got into it with orrin hatch about the issuesrlier statements that none of this was motivated by partisanship. orrin hatch was not very pleased about it, because he'd been asking the irs for information about these practices in 2012. didn't get an answer. here's how he responded. >> you didn't mention any of this in your responses to me, to the senate, or to any other congressional body. and mr. miller, that's a lie by omission. there's no question about that in my mind. it's a lie by omission. >> mr. hatch, i did not lie. >> you what? >> i did not lie, sir. >> you lied by omission. you knew what was going on and you didn't -- you knew that we had asked, you should have told us. >> now, maria, we've just gotten late word that lois learner, the irs official who's going to testify tomorrow before a house committee, plans to plead the fifth amendment. this is probably the worst possible outcome from the white house point of view, because the inspector general had said, he did not see evidence of criminality in this scandal, but when

i work for senator orrin hatch and she possibly we political intelligence that ended up moving the market you know i think it was thirty minutes into the close there was a bit of information that came out and it was leaked by her so we got to market market moving event and a lot of people made money off of this it's pretty common in congress and that's kind of what the stock you know the stock was meant to when this premise was that political intelligent it was it. she she had there was a deal struck between the c.m.s. and the senate finance committee and she might have known about this it might have told somebody and this was public information but i think the question is when is it considered public information and when is it still insider information will be started political intelligence being the greatest oxymoron ever. you know when it comes to members of congress i don't know i don't really like to be able to trade on any sort of this information but when it comes to somebody like steve cohen who has a hedge fund i don't particularly care if he's paying people a lot of money to get

of yes, we can, breaking out as 3 republicans, sense to ever lindsey graham, and jeff flake and orrin hatch join the democrats, my first guest voted no. joining us senator jeff sessio sessions. great to have you with us, you fought a long, hard battle against this legislation. now moves to floor. which -- well where in your opinion it will either succeed or fail, what is it? >> we'll have to depend on the american people to make their voices heard and pay attend00 to th00turn to the fact we need tow this woulding welllize over next 10 years 30 million people, about 3 times what we woulding welllize in a decade. will hammer worker americans this is far too many low skill workers that will take jobs and pull down wages of people unemployed and under employed right now, really dangers on it will add trillions to long-term financial costs of u.s. treasury, welfare and other benefits, it will not work. two major januarie januaries who represent -- mayor unions have told us it will not work, it will make it worse it will weaken our enforcement and threaten the national security. we need to listen

nor orrin hatch -- senator orrin hatch says the power of the irs should not be taken lightly. >> at no point in time did anyone in the irs think it was important to set the record straight. no single agency in government has the power the irs has. they can destroy people. this is an agency that can create more fear in the hearts of people than any other agency. martha: hatch and 10 other republicans wrote to the irs last year demanding answers why the irs requested donor information from certain groups. senator hatch says it was just a broad explanation of a law allowing that request. bill: senator mcconnell asking for full transparency and asking for information from the white house. >> i'm asking them to make available everyone without restriction, who can answer what's been going on at irs, who knew about it, and how high it went. bill: senator mcconnell called for an end to the administration's stonewalling. martha: president obama respond to the report in a statement. earlier he said he hadn't had a chance to look it over. i have now had the opportunity to review the report on irs

with letters from orrin hatch, lamar alexander and tom coburn are investigating for whether she was askingions for groups in enroll america, a nonprofit group gearing up to promote and sell obamacare to the public. bill. bill: elizabeth, there were similar requests coming from the house side as well, is that right? what were they about? >> reporter: well that's right. the senators letters really coming days after house republicans called for a government accountability office investigation of sebelius's actions. listen. >> more recently however is the secretary's brazen fund-raising push despite federal ethics regulations forbidding any department official from fund raising in a professional capacity. >> the secretary must stop using unethical if maybe not illegal, we don't know yet, methods to fund the law's implementation. >> reporter: health and human services up assisting the secretary did not directly solicit funds from anyone regulated by the department. of course the administration say sebelius's actions were authorized by law. this is while the implementation keeps on growing the c

two leading senators working on the legislation, chuck schumer and orrin hatch earlier reached a to-senatorompromise on extending h1 the high-tech visa. under this 2-senator deal highl skilled workers would rise from 605,000 to 110,000, just about doubling the possibility of a further increase depending on unemployment levels. the senator also says he will g out. the measures it expected to pas when the committee takes up the final legislation likely late tonight. moving higher again today, and another record-setting performance. wall street legend michael holland on the bernanke rally. searching still for answers on the deadly september 11th terrorist attack in benghazi. congressman to and jordan is next. he wants a select committee to get to the trees. ♪ welcome to the n buffalo... where new york state is investing one billion dollars to attract and grow busess. where companies like ico are investin in technology finance. welcome to the state where cutting xes for business... is our business. welcome to the new buffalo. welcome to the new buffalo. welcome the new buffalo. new york state i

on this and found out what was going on when people like jay were raising issues and people like orrin hatch. >> judge jeanine: unless they already knew and there was nothing to stop. coming up work scandal after scandal hitting the obama administration people are starting to use the "i" word. is impeachment a possibility. and the honeymoon is definitely over for our grou creep of the. within days of saying i do you won't believe what he actually did. so...how'd it go? well, dad, i spent my childhood living with monks learning the art of dealmaking. you've mastered monkey-style kung fu? no. priceline is different now. you don't even have to bid. master hahn taught you all that? oh, and he says to say (translated from cantonese) "you still owe him five bucks." your accent needs a little work. >>> there isn't a weekend that hasn't gone by that someone says to me michelle what in the world are you all waiting for in congress? why aren't you impeaching the president he has been making unconstitutional actions since he came into office. >> judge jeanine: while impeachment doesn't seem to be on th

distance from the white house. >> reporter: today is the deadline set by senators max baucus and orrin hatchpage letter to the irs asking more than 40 questions. they want answers to those questions and are demanding irs documentation be turned over by the end of the day. next week there will be more congressional hearings looking into the irs. one will feature some of the conservative groups testifying about what the irs did to them and the impact on their organizations. a tea party leader told our greta van susteren this has sharpened the focus of his group. >> we would like to see this irs scandal turn into something a little bit more. i feel personally that the irs is too big, too bureaucratic. it's the poster child now for everything the tea party is against. the irs, basically, needs to have a wrecking ball taken to it, it needs to be completely altered and go to some kind of consumer-based tax system, a fair tax or what have you. >> reporter: on monday the house appropriation committee's hearing will feature testimony from daniel wore fell and j. russell george, the inspector general,

our dave camp and max baucus and you and orrin hatch, are you guys sitting down and starting to hash this out or not? >> not yet all four of us, there are some beginnings, there's a long way to go. >> all right, thanks very much. >> thank you, nice to be with you. >> now, let's head over to the other side of the capitol and the aisle. the president says he intends -- may be the -- republican senator from mississippi roger wicker, senator wicker, good morning to you. >> good morning, glad to be with you, chuck. do you believe the various controversies of this week are going to derail this effort that seems to be, seems to have been making progress between the group -- trying to get a big budget deal? >> i'm not part of a grand bargain, you were at one, as a part of any deal that the president would sign, that would involve a tax increase. and i can't imagine that this irs scandal and that the irs was going to do anything but pour cold water on the president's attempt to raise taxes as part of a grand bargain, so yes, it will hurt the president in that respect. >> do you think irs in m

center orrin hatch said i never have seen anything like this except in the past during the nixon years watergate and iran-contra and multiply by ten which is confuseing math because iran-contra is watergate tense time. and it lets all the way up to people who have never met anyone in the top reaches of government. if you believe that behavior in a crisis is the same as an irs cock up that results in paperwork for people. it may surprise you to learn there are suesel differences between barack obama and richard nixon. when nixon learned that the irs audited conservatives was made them audit liberals on his enemy list. he used irs because he was a drug delusional socio-path. and obama's treasurey department scoped the scrutinizing under douglas schilman, a bush appoint appointee, which is like two and a half men fired ashton kutcher because charlie sheen. nixon used bribely blackmail spying forgery and to spy on the press for political purposes and obama can't even get gun purchasing background checks when 90% of the public supports. nixon was engaged in a bloody war, and obama--oh wait.

. >> orrin hatch and eric holder on the same side. you see what i mean?ked with some of the tea party groups targeted by the irs. jeff, let me start with you. you're going to do something that many will find indefensible. do it. defend the irs. explain. >> remember, what this is about, this is about groups applying for a special privilege, to be a 504c4 organization, they're social welfare organizations, >>> pretty incredible benefits rgs right? >> so the irs is supposed to investigate. >> what are they supposed to do? are they really social well four organizations but actually political op ragtss. that's what the irs is supposed to do and that's whey they did, it seems. >> now, to follow on that, last year, 2800 organizations applied for 501-c (4) status. one could look at that and say there should be way more scrutiny. >> i. >> i any that's quite right. karl rove's organization obviously designed to help him get elected president. it seems like the problem here is there hant been enough scrutiny. now, let me just add that it is important that the irs do

. >> orrin hatch and eric holder on the same side. you see what i mean? jeffrey to be enand worked with some of the tea party groups targeted by the irs. jeff, let me start with you. you're going to do something that many will find indefensible. do it. defend the irs. explain. >> remember, what this is about, this is about groups applying for a special privilege, to be a 504c4 organization, they're social welfare organizations, not political operations. so they don't have to pay taxes and they don't have to disclose their members. >> incredible benefits. for 501-c (4) status. one could look at that and say there should be way more scrutiny. >> i any that's quite right. karl rove's organization obviously designed to help him get elected president. it seems like the problem here is there hant been enough scrutiny. now, let me just add that it is important that the irs do this in an everyone-handed way. investigate liberal groups and conservative groups. but they should investigate both of them. >> now, when this was happening, the groups that were forming t

. >> senator orrin hatch, has been on the hill for many years, when talking about the irs power and whatt is capable of doing, he said, we're talking about liberty here. >> shepard: mike eman annual. our coverage is just beginning we'll look at who might be responsible for the scrutiny. also, around has kicked out an american diplomat. they call him a spy. they accuse him of working for the cia. and recruiting. but is this really about cold war style espionage or is russia trying to send a message? on an extremely busy news day. that's coming up. [ female announcer ] a classic meatloaf recipe from stouffer's starts with ground beef, onions and peppers baked in a ketchup glaze with savory gravy and mashed russet potatoes. what makes stouffer's meatloaf best of all? that moment you enjoy it at home. stouffer's. made with care, for you or your family. stouffer's. we've been bringing people fotogether.5 years today we'd like people to come together on something that concerns all of us...obesity. and as the nations leading beverage company we can play an important role. that includes continua

i also had a chance to speak with republican orrin hatch, senator from utah. listen to what he had to say about this. >> let's face it, this is as ex-ownian as they get. we have to know who did this, why it was done, when it was done, how many times it was done. we have to have answers to these questions. >> reporter: a lot of people agree with senator hatch. one last thing, the american civil liberties union put it this way. said even the appearance of playing partisan politics with the tax code is about as constitutionally troubling as it gets. that's what the irs has been accused of doing, so there are a lot of people that want to get to the bottom of this. don? >> athena jones, thank you very much. >>> she was kidnapped in 1974, and didn't escape nearly a decade. her incredible story and advice for the victims recently rescued from the house of horrors in cleveland next. my mantra? trust your instincts to make the call. to treat my low testosterone, my doctor and i went with axiron, the only underarm low t treatment. axiron can restore t levels to normal i

senator orrin hatch wants illegal aliens d.n.a.llegal aliens to bring in their partners legally to the u.s.a. joining us now from washington with her view on the new immigration bill is ms. laura ingraham. last time we spoke you weren't real thrilled with it just summarize why. >> well, the main thing, bill, is that over the last six years or so, last time we took this up in congress, many of us said look, you guys don't have a lot of credibility and enforcing this border. we need to see this thing shut down as much as humanly possible. reduce the flow of illegals coming in strong on intradikdz and enforcement and then after that after that solidified we can figure out what to do with the people who are here that was none. obama did some good stuff on immigration for sure he didn't just throw up his hands. it's certainly not enough to address the concerns of the middle class seeing their wages lower. now we are here again and, bill, this legislation 800 plus pages of it contains at least seven major provisions that give janet napol

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to jump on, so a lot of conservatives are reaching out to republicans in the senate, for example orrin hatching in bringing more high-tech workers, you look at senator hova in north dakota interested in bringing agriculture workers. >> that's the benefit of it. the danger is it gets so heavy under all the little things that it collapses. i would say i thought it was interesting heritage foundation really pushed back on by many conservatives and an interesting moment with jim demint, teeter tottered, considered siding with heritage. ruth, busy news day, but i don't want to leave you guys without mentioning this story which i was stunned is i think the word by. the irs admitted today that some workers, local workers, this is what we know of the story at this point targeted groups that had the words "tea party" or "patriots" during the 2012 election. these are groups that the internal revenue service overseas many non-profit groups have become big in the political landscape. the dumbness of doing this to me is in some ways striking. the irs is criticized roundly or not actively enforcing what t

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further right that orrin hatch. seems like almost like some sort of insect farm where the bigger, badder insects are replacing the little ones. >> there's a whole lot of turnover in a lot of places. some of them are just as goofy characters as before like in the house you have louie gohmert instead of michele bachmann. >> birther. >> he tells attorney general holder he's casting aspersions on his asparagus. there's an unending stream of goofiness. there is a darker strain here. mike lee and amy, rand paul, an intellectual, ted cruz is a very interesting case. because he is making his name very much the way joe mccarthy made his name. with outlandish, unprovable allegations. throwing them out there. getting attention. well, he looks like it. it's superficial. he's the same age as mccarthy. that's not why i call him tail gunner ted. because he's using those same kind of tactics. people will see that works. you're going to get more outlandish allegations. >> lizz, i'm sorry. >> i was just going to say, these people hav

three republicans, senators jeff flake of arizona, lindsey graham of south carolina, and orrin hatch of utah joined the panel's ten democrats to vote for the bill. in an emotional moment shortly before final passage committee chairman patrick leahy of vermont announced he would not call for a vote on an amendment that would have recognized the marriages of same-sex spouses in immigration law. the measure will now head to the senate floor without that amendment. meaning no protections for same-sex spouses. on tuesday the top republican in the upper chamber, minority leader mitch mcconnell, said he will not block the immigration proposal from being debated by the full senate. earlier today speaker of the house john boehner offering his condolence to the people in moore, ordering flags being flown at half-staff. and then it was back to business as usual. >> whether it's benghazi, irs, whether it's the justice department investigating journalists, the congress of the united states and the american people need to know what the truth is to hold this administration accountable. >> little in

. >> orrin hatch and eric holder on the same side. you see what i mean? some of the tea party groups targeted by the irs. jeff, let me start with you. you're going to do something that many will find indefensible. do it. defend the irs. explain. >> remember, what this is about, this is about groups applying for a special privilege, to be a 504c4 organization, they're social welfare organizations, not political operations. so they don't >> pretty incredible benefits. >> so what the irs is supposed to do is investigate. what do these groups do? are they really social welfare organizations or are they trying to get the advantage but actually political operations. that's an investigation. that's what the irs is supposed to do and that's what they did, it seems. >> all right. that's an interesting point. the follow on that, last year, 2800 organizations applied for 501c4 status, no tax benefit. only eight were rejected. some could say there should be more scrutiny because there could be shady people going out to apply for whatever status it's going to take. >>

an amendment that orrin hatch has that requires dna testing of those that want to be citizens. the real test is whether this process can really light a fire among the grassroots and will talk radio gets upset about this like they were in 2007. they're not there yet. and whether or not over the next three, four months you have members of congress and members of the senate going home to home district and meeting angry crowds of people who don't want to see this done. right now it doesn't look like that's the case. it looks like marco rubio has the upper hand. the process will be ugly and clearly the intent of people like grassly and others who oppose this is to raise concerns among the public and get the fires going. >> it is easy to see what marco rubio is doing. i think he does believe this can get done. last night vice president biden also said he's optimistic. >> as my grandpa would say, let the grace of god and good will of the neighbors congress will show the wisdom to pass the bipartisan immigration bill by the end of the summer. >> that is joe biden in his element. we had

. >> now the, your colleagues in the senate, max baucus and orrin hatch, the chair and ranking republican on the senate finance committee have listed a long list of questions they want answered by the irs going forward. not just on this. they've issued that today. are there a lot of questions now that your committee, that the ways and means needs answered as well. of other investigations, other groups that may have been targeted? how much farther do you think you need to go to get to the bottom of this? >> we need to get all the facts. chairman camp and i working together on a bipartisan basis did issue a list of questions. all of them have to be answered. each and every one of them. so there are further committee inquiries going on. the attorney general has launched his investigation i think we need to get to the bottom of it. what went wrong in this exempt organization, department? what really went wrong, we need to find that out so we don't make the same terrible mistakes once again. we've got to find out everything. that should be our mission here. i think olympia snowe said the right

utah republican senator orrin hatch noted that, two months before that date, shulman told congress there "absolutely no targeting." >> mr. shulman, why have you not come forward before today to correct the record and acknowledge that there was in fact inappropriate screening occurring in the i.r.s., the organization that you headed? >> what i knew was not the full set of facts in this report. what i knew sometime in the spring of 2012 was that there was a list that was being used. i knew that the word "tea party" was on the list. didn't know what other words were on the list. didn't know the scope and severity of this. i didn't know if groups that were pulled in were groups that would have been pulled in anyways. >> woodruff: michigan democrat debbie stabenow complained that the targeting by staffers in a cincinnati regional office went on for 18 months. >> how could it take so long for senior people at the i.r.s. to find the problem, fix the problem? and was there no ongoing oversight of the employees in cincinnati? >> i'm not there to go ask a set of questions of people-- what happened

and he took some heavy fire from senator orrin hatch for failing to correct the record after the irsad told congress targeting did not happen. >> you didn't mention any of this in your responses to me, to the senate or any other congressional body. mr. miller, that's a lie by omission. there's no question about that in my mind. it's a lie by omission. >> over at the white house, press secretary jay carney got a little bit impatient when he was peppered with inquiries about the exact timing of when the white house was informed of the end of the ig report auditing this irs activity, comparing it to the flap over the president's birth certificate. >> we could go down the list of questions. we could say what about the president's birth certificate, was that legitimate. >> i'm not asking about that. i'm asking about -- that's not what i'm asking about. >> okay. >> but there won't be any laughs at the white house tomorrow at a house oversight hearing, because lois learner is expected to take the fifth amendment to protect herself from incrimination. that lends an air of potential criminal

one example, orrin hatch, it was very important to get his vote and they worked out a compromise forh-skilled workers to come in, made it a little bit easier for u.s. businesses to hire those foreign workers but at the same time that really upset labor unions in the country. the afl-cio respond very angrily to the amendment. they still support the bill, and butt those are the kinds of things they'll be looking for in the weeks ahead. >> ifill: briefly, what was the white house's role in this. they were pushing for the gay and lesbian portion. >> they were pushing very hard for the gay and lesbian amendment. there was an a.p. report that the white house asked leahy not to introduce it. the white house, jay carney today said he did not-- he's not aware of that conversation taking place. leahy's office says they don't talk about private discussions they have. and the white house is fighting back to that. but they-- you know, he's made very clear that he supports the amendment as far as the politics of whether he got in there and asked for him to pull it back we're not sure. >> ifill: ma

this afternoon, republican senator orrin hatch of utah said that failure raises serious questions. >> he purposefully misled me. because i wrote a letter, i had other senators on the letter, i got a letter back from him basically saying that's no problem when he knew according to the information i have right now he knew that that was not true. >> brown: another republican, missouri senator roy blunt, said if the reports about miller are true he should resign or be fired. but the chamber's democratic majority leader harry reid said such talk is premature. >> the person who was working on this at the time it happened was a republican appointee during the bush years. the man acting now is temporary. he's acting and we're looking to get a permanent person there. so to act to have some temporary guy resign, his name is miller, as far as i know he's done a good job. >> brown: lawmakers will have the opportunity to question miller on friday when he testifies before the house ways and means committee. meanwhile, attorney general eric holder said he's ordered the f.b.i. to see if any laws were