but if it does happen, my sense is orrin hatch is the new finance committee chairman, would like to doorm, and who's the new chairman of the house ways and means committee? if it's paul ryan, then we could see a very robust tax reform initiative come out of the house and the senate together and perhaps presented to president obama to sign or veto. stuart: now, that's tax reform in a very, very broad context, according to the republicans which is tax rate cuts. it's not the harry reid version, tax reform is a trillion dollar tax increase. >> no, that's right. it's revenue neutral aimed at engendering economic growth over the long haul. it also will be have the united states join the rest of the industrialized countries in the world and have a territorial tax system that does not tax american corporate profits twice. once when they're made abroad and once when they're brought back to the united states. stuart: but that's a huge fight with the president. tax reform goes to a republican house and republican senate and reaches his desk, what's he going to do? >> well, that's going to be a b

by the way, the most expensive orrin hatch of the world is the war on poverty. all the wars in history of america combined have cost $8 trillion. the war on poverty only since 1964 was 66, lyndon johnson elected in 64, so 66, has cost $20 trillion counting. as of today there's more people living in poverty than the day it started. so what did we spend $20 trillion on? i can give you chapter and verse about what is the murder of the middle class. might insurance canceled. hillary clinton as a left las vegas paid $225,000 to give one speech at the university of nevada las vegas this fall. unlv is a middle-class blue-collar college filled with children of middle-class families who are struggling to afford to pay their tuition and you're going to be left with crippling debt for the rest of their lives. crippling student debt. every day there's a new article for the last five years saying we are broke, we have no money to educate these kids, we've got to raise tuition, we need more money from the state. but they had $225,000 to be hillary clinton for a one hour speec