who is it in. >> orrin hatch, michelle. listen, donald trump talks about tax reform.he senate talks about tax reform. the house talks about house reform. can they come together and get something done and if so, what will it look like. what is your tax rate going to be next year. ♪ ♪ ♪ how else do you think he gets around so fast? take the reins this holiday and get the mercedes-benz you've always wanted during the winter event. now lease the 2017 gle350 for $579 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. ways wins. especially in my business. with slow internet from the phone company, you can't keep up. you're stuck, watching spinning wheels and progress bars until someone else scoops your story. switch to comcast business. with high-speed internet up to 10 gigabits per second. you wouldn't pick a slow race car. then why settle for slow internet? comcast business. built for speed. built for business. >>> welcome back. we're live in washington, d.c., we're very pleased to be joining on "power lunch" by senator orrin hatch. thank you very much for taking some time out.

since april we've been asking, all of us, orrin hatch, senator mike lee, the governor, we got assurancesm the chief of staff that no decision had been made on december 12 but obviously they put this in motion a long time ago. it's aneffected people in utah d nevada and across the nation. i hope that president-elect donald trump will do what he said he was going to do and reverse these executive orders. this midnight monument, it has to go away. it just has to. >> thanks for coming. >> thank you. >>> up next, new numbers showing 2016 was a historically deadly year for u.s. law enforcement. we'll debate what's really behind the spike when former new york city police commissioner bernard kerrick and attorney eric guster join us after the break. there they are. >>> disturbing new numbers revealing that 2016 will go down as one of the deadliest for law enforcement. 2016 saw the most dramatic surge in officers being fatally shot since record were created. 64 officers killed by firearms in 2016. more than 50% from 41 in 2014 and that's got some folks wondering what is going on behind the number

orrin hatch was certainly involved in that. just like i had trouble coming to grips with my home in searchlight, i had trouble coming to grips with the fact that my dad killed himself. i was like most -- we are called victims. we shouldn't be but that's what we're called. this year about 32,000 people will kill themselves in america. that doesn't count the hunting accidents which are really suicides, the car accidents which are really suicides. so i couldn't get my arms around the suicide. republican senator cohen from maine was the chairman of the aging committee upon which i served, and we were doing a hearing on senior depression. and mike wallace came, the famous journalist, and here's what he said: "i have wanted to die for years. i would take the most dangerous assignments i could hoping i couldn't come back." he said, "you know, i'm okay now. i want to live forever." he said "i take a pill once in a while, i see a doctor once in a while and i'm good. i'm okay." and i said for the first time publicly, mr. chairman, my dad

senator orrin hatch called it an attack on an entire way of life.clared this arrogant act by a lame-duck president will not stand. so what is all the anger over? the president's last-minute environmental measures, including his designation ofwo new national monuments bear's ears in utah and gold butte in nevada, protecting more than 1.6 million acres. the backlash centers on restrictions to animal grazing and gas and oil drilling. in hatch and lee's home state, utah, 64% of the state is already under federal management. presidt obama has designated more federal land than any oth president and there's a push to dial it back, but undoing a national monument is unchartered territory. this battle between conservatives and conservationists and argues of executive overreach versus environmentalism will be in the hands of a new president and a new congress in just 22 days. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." ayman mohyeldin picks up our coverage right now. >> and breaking news this hour. we are getting reaction tonight. do

orrin hatch was certainly involved in that just like i had trouble coming to gripstims. [inaudible] we were called victims. we shouldn't be but that's what we were called. i couldn't get my arms around suicide. we were doing a hearing on senior depression. here's what he said, i've wanted to die for years. i'm okay now i want to livewhils forever. a i see a dr. once in a while and i'm good, i'm okay. my dad killed himself. it would be important for this committee because we haven learned since my focusing we studied by people kill themselves because they don't know for sure. you'd think of these dark places like maine and vermont that are dark and so cold. we've now funded projects on the suicide prevention programs where people get together. that's something i'm glad i worked on. finally, healthcare. my 24 years ago my friend from las vegas called me and she said i want you to watch this and what it showed was a girl from afri africa. suddenly they grabbed her, spread her legs apart and cut her genitals right there with a razor blade. i thought man, that's hard to compr

orrin hatch, the season nior republican on the committee said it seemed like an honest mistake to him. >> i think was clearly a mistake. i choose to accept your explanation that it was an honest mistake, although you knew that it was a violation. >> that was the first day of zoe baird's confirmation hearing. joe biden was the chairman of the committee. joe biden seemed to take the immigration violation more seriously than some republicans did, but he told the "new york times," this is not a deal breaker. this is not anything that should keep her from being attorney general. that's what all the pros believed. smooth sailing, no problem on the confirmation. until senators' phones started ringing after that first confirmation hearing and the senate started turning against zoe baird. there were enough democrats in the senate then to get letther the senate without any republican votes. but the southern democrats, and yes, there used to be southern democrats in those days, the southern democrats turned against her first, and soon she had less than 50 supportive senators. then bill clinton n

orrin hatch was certainly involved in that. just like i had trouble coming to grips with my home in searchlight, i had trouble coming to grips with the fact that my dad killed himself. i was like most -- we are called victims. we shouldn't be but that's what we're called. this year about 32,000 people will kill themselves in america. that doesn't count the hunting accidents which are really suicides, the car accidents which are really suicides. so i couldn't get my arms around the suicide. republican senator cohen from maine was the chairman of the aging committee upon which i served, and we were doing a hearing on senior depression. and mike wallace came, the famous journalist, and here's what he said: "i have wanted to die for years. i would take the most dangerous assignments i could hoping i couldn't come back." he said, "you know, i'm okay now. i want to live forever." he said "i take a pill once in a while, i see a doctor once in a while and i'm good. i'm okay." and i said for the first time publicly, mr. chairman, my dad

senate judiciary committee under chairman orrin hatch and was a law clerk to justice clarence thomas on the supreme court and judge silverman for the d.c. circuit court of appeals. john graduated from yale law school, where he was articles editor -- >> jd. [ laughter ] >> and from harvard with a degree in american history. and so, i'll pose this question, then i'll join the panel. we've decided beforehand, they're not going to make five-minute presentations. we're going to get right into the conversation. so just set the stage for that. does donald trump's victory represent a victory for the constitution? and what will his presidency mean for the rule of law with respect to federalism, civil rights, criminal justice, environmental law, labor law, foreign affairs and the president's war-making powers? and what about the first amendment and free speech and the power of the administrative and regulatory state? what will trump's presidency mean for the commerce clause of the constitution, which a liberal interpretation causes a wellspring of much of the power of the federal government? a

. >> you mentioned mitch mcconnell will be there, the leader of the senate, orrin hatch will be there. so republicans and democrats honoring joe biden. why do you think it is that he does enjoy kind of a bipartisan support and friendship? >> well, i think that he over his 44 years not only again in the senate or as vice president, he has been the person that president obama has gone to and different senators have gone to during his time in the senate to get bipartisan support. as katy said, they love him. all members of the senate, members of congress, they enjoy working with him, and he has continued to be a steady voice not only in the senate but also as vice president, and i think the members of the senate truly believe everything he says and trust him, and sometimes that's rare in politics. he's a rare personality which is why i've always enjoyed working with him. and i think that the members of the senate are going to offer an incredible testament to his public life since becoming a senator 44 years ago. >> political strategist amanda love nbs day, thanks so much for being with u

the real talk is what jon huntsman might do in 2018 and may primary orrin hatch. >> if hatch runs againople are speculating, absolutely. he would be a really strong contender. hatch is beloved in utah but he's getting up there in age. >> i think beloved may be overstating. >> you're biased. >> susan, thank you, dear. you match up with the -- what are these flowers? >> poinsettias. >> and jeremy peters and jay, my paul. >>> when we return, a shameless display by the people vying to be picked by trump for any job. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a rodent ride-along. [dad] alright, buddy, don't forget anything! [kid] i won't, dad... [captain rod] happy tuesday morning! captain rod here. it's pretty hairy out on the interstate.traffic is literally crawling, but there is some movement on the eastside overpass. getting word of another collision. [burke] it happened. december 14th, 2015. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.

i thank once again the chairman, the thoughtful chairman of the finance committee, orrin hatch from utah for his leadership on this bill. i hope over the next 12 or 24 hours we find a way to get this through the senate. thank you, mr. president. i yield the floor. i suggest the absence of a quorum. the presiding officer: the clerk will call the roll. quorum call: quorum call: mr. cruz: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from texas. mr. cruz: i ask unanimous consent that the quorum call be vitiated. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. cruz: mr. president, on this pearl harbor day, we should learn the lessons of the past. and seize new opportunities for america in asia and beyond. the great lesson of pearl harbor, and more broadly world war ii, was america's commitment to utterly defeat our enemies by whatever means necessary. and then, when victory was secure, to bring them back into the community of civilized nations. it was an extraordinary achievement. to think that if on december 7, 1941, i was to tell you that japan would be on december 7, 2016, a staunchly d

yesterday, we spoke with senator orrin hatch.s approved. >> took him three years in '86 and a lot less complex than it is right now. so i think we can do it in a year. but it depends on the president, and i think you'll have an active president, as you can see. and it depends on democrats and republicans working together. i think i've proven over the last two years we can work together. >> get it done and how fast. joining us to discuss the tax plans and the latest news is larry kudlow, senior cnbc contributor and informal adviser to president-elect trump. what do you think, you heard all the discussions now about -- by the way, we're not even to inauguration day but everybody is debating whether tax reform can get done quickly and what it will look like. >> what hatch said is positive. revenue neutrality has always been a goal. the house bill is revenue neutral. i know that it is not yet revenue neutral, they're moving in that direction. a lot of details have to be put out. i'm very, very optimistic about it. it is a question of

senate judiciary committee under chairman orrin hatch and was a law clerk to justice clarence thomas on the supreme court and judge silverman for the d.c. circuit court of appeals. john graduated from yale law school, where he was articles editor -- >> jd. [ laughter ] >> and from harvard with a degree in american history. and so, i'll pose this question, then i'll join the panel. we've decided beforehand, they're not going to make five-minute presentations. we're going to get right into the conversation. so just set the stage for that. does donald trump's victory represent a victory for the constitution? and what will his presidency mean for the rule of law with respect to federalism, civil rights, criminal justice, environmental law, labor law, foreign affairs and the president's war-making powers? and what about the first amendment and free speech and the power of the administrative and regulatory state? what will trump's presidency mean for the commerce clause of the constitution, which a liberal interpretation causes a wellspring of much of the power of the federal government? a

signed orrin g. hatch, president pro tempore. the presiding officer: under the previous order, the senate stands adjourned until 10:00 a.m. on friday, december 10:00 a.m. on friday, december >> that wraps up today's short senate session here on c-span2. senators return for another pro forma on friday at 10 a.m. eastern and gavel in for the start of the 115th congress next tuesday. but right now, back to that discussion on the future of the paris climate agreement held by the brookings institution. >> electricity and other systems actually often means renewables, distributed energy, etc., many of the things that we look for in low carbon growth. finish and lastly, i think there is a lot of room for us to cooperate together in cybersecurity for the energy system. cybersecurity for smart grids, etc. that's something that we all have to do a lot better at, because if we are going to have this huge transformation in energy technology and in our energy economies, while we look at the internet of things, etc., for taking off, we need to

signed: orrin g. hatch, president pro tempore. the presiding officer: under the previous order, the senate stands adjourned until 11:30 a.m. on friday, until 11:30 a.m. on friday, giving them time to prepare for negotiations and also recognizing, thank you very much >> you said you listen carefully too different arrangements for scotland, do you believe scotland. [inaudible] >> obviously i haven't had it chance to look at the paper yet, but i welcome the contribution to the debate. it will be encouraging to take that forward as part of the discussions we are having. i would expect the assembly to come forward with the concerns they have and discuss it within the structure that we have. >> do you suggest the border arrangements, could there be a fixture of a total uk exit approach. >> what we are negotiating is the united kingdom approach and the relationship with the european union. i don't think it's right to accept, when i first met the minister, we would look very seriously at the proposals that come forward, but there may be p

signed orrin g. hatch, president pro tempore. the presiding officer: under the previous order the senate stands previous order the senate stands >> i do think you can learn from failure. if the next president wants to aspire to be like somebody, they probably want to be washington or lincoln. you can't re-create the country and you can't have a civil war. so you aspire to be james monroe. i don't know. you can aspire not to be james buchanan. >> i think the differentiation of good president that residents pay blockage and 10, lincoln and fdr at the top of the surveys historians take. they were decisive men. you can't come to the top of the ladder and not be decisive. james polk hated him for being a waffler as secretary of day. they owe us a and forth on decisions. your advisor. summit with to do. >> c-span student can documentary is in full swing and we're asking students to tell us what is the most of horton issue for the new president and new congress to address in 2017. joining me is the former student kim winter 2016 for her

who would want to lose orrin hatch. not me.the seat. put up the right hand not the left hand. >> this one is coming in from diana. she asks is there anyone that has not been nominated that you would like to see in the cabinet? >> probably but at this point it's pretty much closed. and actually there are a few that i'm arguing for right now for some of the open positions. remember i'm on the transition team and i have made several recommendation recommendations. >> any you want to share. >> no. i didn't. if i did, they would be dead and i would be dead, too. >> do you think he has already decided on some of the big ones lick state. >> you know, what i found with president-elect trump is when he decides. >> it's done. i don't think he will hold it up. maybe he will hold it up for a day to do it at the right venue and right place. once he makes up his mind everyone around him. >> it seems like he made up his mind about hillary clinton and whether or not they would want to go after her. here is a question from ruth. if attorney gen

signed: orrin g. hatch, president pro tempore.the presiding officer: under the previous order, the senate stands adjourned until 4:30 p.m . on tuesday, december 27, 2016. december 27, 2016. >> join us tuesday, generator, for live coverage of the opening day of the new congress. watch the official swearing-in of the new and reelected members of the house and senate and the election of the speaker of the house. our all-day live coverage of the events from capitol hill begins at 7:00 a.m. eastern on c-span and c-span.org or listen on the free c-span radio at. >> coming up tonight on c-span2 if the build tv in prime time as we talk with politicians about books they have written. starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern senate majority leader mitch o'connell and his memoir took outgoing california senator barbara boxer: the art of tough , fearlessly facing politics and life. former oklahoma congressman jc watts author of: dig deep, seven truths to fighting the strength within. we close with virginia commerce and dave bratt who two years ago one a

signed: orrin g. hatch, president pro tempore. the presiding officer: under the previous order, the senate stands adjourned until 9:30 a.m. on tuesday, until 9:30 a.m. on tuesday, and that wraps up the senate. lawmakers will meet tuesday, december 20 for another pro forma session. we will take you back live to that aei event looking at the future of healthcare policy and cost. >> say who you are and please make your statement in the form of a question. >> good morning. i'm an independent healthcare consultant and i work on both policy and new product technology that answers the question that i think is important which is how to improve the outcomes so you drive down the cost of care. frankly, the best time i've seen in a long time which is a good news that a number of the programs that charge penalties and incentives are changing the direction of healthcare at the local level. they hold great promise. the accountable care organizations ultimately will be a great model to drive down costs. i hope we don't lose, in the shuffle of th