let me ask you this, senator orrin hatch, who is the senator pro temme, the post-senior republican. he's making a case today on the senate floor that you don't need hearings because you held obamacare hearings in the past s. that really the defense of no hearings and no markups on this bill that because you had hearings on another piece of legislation, passed by another congress, that that applies to this bill? >> there is going to be a huge, a big markup on this, the whole process of the voter owe glow after the bill passed? >> no, on the floor of the senate. there may be 50 to 100 amendments offered. this is an amendment process before we vote yes or no on the entire bill. let's face it, dra itself said from the beginning they weren't interested in working with us on the changes. i we heard that, president obama instead to the democrats all the way through, forcefully defend and be proud of obamacare. they're wearing blinders. they were offering plank checks. the american people deserve better. i hear about it every weekend at home in wyoming. >> are you comfortable defending this

and orrin hatch appointed me to the senate labor committee. we used to be able to recognize if somebody had a talent or not and what they would go by the truth. following the fact and the law. that's what public service is about. and how you vote or how you may in your spare time be a partisan is not a disqualifier as a public servant to do what's in the best interests of the nation. >> i'm always surprised by anyone in public life for anything with politics would give to -- would donate to, you know, a particular political party. >> i agree. >> it shocks me every time i hear that. why would you do that? >> it lends to these types of attacks, and what you see is a case being made right now by the white house, and others, that bob mueller is somehow, you know, partisan, and can't conduct this investigation together with his assistants in a fair and equitable manner. remember, the symbol of lady justice who has a blindfold, and should not see republicans or democrats, should only see the laws and facts. >> richard, you're awfully quiet tonight.

melissa: orrin hatch, you didn't hear in the sound bite. he said something else. he said we are dependent on the government. as it stand now, health care will take up every single dime that the government has. >> i think what is really sort of sad to me we're no longer talking about the the cost of health care. all we talk about, argue about is insurance premiums. there is a big gap. a lot of people covered by obamacare. doesn't mine they are able to go to the doctor. because high premiums and deductibles of obamacare, make it almost impossible for so many americans to get health care. so is this gop bill going to make it any different? i don't know. but i don't really think they can make it much worse because obamacare is collapsing. look, both parties have to be invested making this thing work. unfortunately only one is. dan is totally right. if a few senators on the gop side scuttle this thing we're in for rough riding ahead. voters want action and they want a solution. >> what do you make of the imminent cbo score? sometimes you see republicans say, the cbo is

, if indeed orrin hatch decides not to run for an eighth term, then biden is saying mitt romneyld be an addition to the senate. in the context of these times, someone with his background, experience, to put in a more or less moderate republican could make sense to joe biden. but step one is joe biden talking about utah which is going to elect a republican, that's what i think joe biden is talking about, because if he's talking about running in massachusetts, that won't be great for democrats necessarily. i think he's talking about utah. so that's a great cross aisle move for biden, both look like senior statesmen now. >> good point. i want to get back and look forward to what is to come yet in the russian investigation. we know that jared kushner is meeting with the senate intel committee later this month. how candid do you think he'd be? >> i think he'll be very candid. they need to get this past them, they need to be clear and concise, don't need to muddy the water any more. earlier it was talked about how this could drag on, as an american i don't want to see it, i don't thin

everyone on the panel would agree, orrin hatch is not like a good student. a great it is.s so much for watching "special report." i am james rosen sitting in for bret baier. good night from washington. "the story" with martha maccallum is up next and you won't want to miss that.

everyone on the panel would agree, orrin hatch is not like a good student. a great it is.or watching "special report." i am james rosen sitting in for bret baier. good night from washington. "the story" with martha maccallum is up next and you won't want to miss that. >> martha: breaking tonight, secretary of state rex tillerson says in no uncertain terms, north korea is to blame for the death of this young american college student. this is his statement, released just moments ago, "we hold north korea accountable for otto warmbier's unjust detainment." these are the americans whose lives are still in jeopardy. one of them, obviously until the weather on the right-hand side. this statement was sort of part of a 1-dupont this evening. before that, we heard of the president. he was calm but defiant. watch this. >> i just wanted to pass on word that otto warmbier has just passed away

adam shapiro with an exclusive chat with senator orrin hatch who's going to play a vital role in aller: hey, neil. as chairman of senate finance, that committee has oversight over greater than 50% of the u.s. budget, tax reform and health care. so we talked with him about the big issues of the trump agenda. let's talk tax reform right now. president trump wants the federal tax rate lowered to 15%. senator hatch told us during the exclusive interview that the administration has already backed off of that, looking at something around 20-25%. that's the corporate tax rate. here's what he told us. >> corporate tax rates are not going to change, balance the budget, but they can certainly help. and, yeah, it'd be wonderful if we could get them down to 15%. now, i think the president has probably come off of that particular figure recently, but i'd like to get them down, you know, if we could get them down to 25% or 20%, this country would turn around, i think, overnight. >> reporter: now, we did speak with him about health care. mitch mcconnell, he says, is a master at this, and they have

if anybody can help policy of its him, and orrin hatch and others that are involved. it's hard t it's hard doing majr reform of entitlement programs. something involving insurance at any level, especially health insurance is very difficult work. they have virtually no margin of votes like we had virtually no margin to work with. there's is even tighter. some want to be very respectful of the work they are engaged in. i would say this, that as part of getting them the reconciliation vehicle we always understood that there were changes, police i understood, that would be changes to the bill. hopefully improvements in the builder goes want to legislation to get better. to that end we carved out some headroom if you will about $86 billion that will be available to make other changes within the bill that they have access to. you see the did he come out of hhs and its actual studies are far more realistic i believe than cbo. the insurance number, and so i'm hopeful. i think that we get something back to us. then we have to evaluate it in the context of the votes we have and

an exclusive interview with fox business, orrin hatch says the senate needs to pass this bill. >> i preferthan specialized medicine. we go that route almost every federal guide. people demanding more and more, that's just the way it is. if we go to specialized medicine, we deserve what we get. we are almost there. if we don't win on this issue in the united states senate, that is where we are headed. lauren: the white house criticizing it white house criticizing its abc has consistently proven it cannot accurately predict how health care legislation will impact insurance coverage. cheryl: the supreme court issuing a ruling on president trump's travel ban. more now from our own blake burman. reporter: president trump and his administration at least temporarily. the supreme court ordered monday that most parts of the president's travel ban executive order go into effect. the statement writing my number one responsibility as commander-in-chief is to keep the american people safe. today's ruling allows me to use an important tool protecting the nation's homeland. the ruling does allow those fr

orrin hatch. chuck grassley. he had a brilliant idea in 1993 to create exchanges. thattplaces in every state people who didn't have coverage could get coverage on the exchanges. the folks that were low income could benefit from a sliding scale tax credit. it could be high. in 93ing that legislation 2004. the idea of the individual mandate. to providead coverage for their employees. the last provision was one that if you are a health care insurer and you want to stop you can't do that. that turned out to be a big part of the foundation of the affordable care act. the stuff that my republican friends are most critical of, it is their stuff. go figure. everything i do i know i can do better. the affordable care act could be better. worth of0 days hearings, roundtables, discussions. over 300 amendments were offered, half by republican colleagues that were adopted. a perfect process, but very much an open process. concerns me these days is that this process is closed. with senior democrats chairing the committee, if you see something, say something. you see something ab

are edging ourselves in a way that is a little tenuous right now with these timelines and again, orrin hatch just said there are a lot of different points of view on health care which is a real problem and pushing it through. >> david: can address ohio? sorry. >> harris: we know they had a working group. it was conservatives. that's how we got to the language. 142 pages of this discussion draft, it drops the mandate and eliminates taxes on the wealthy with regard to their health care, so just a couple of things that people were talking about in terms of loosening up the market. you may not get rand paul, but you may peel off a ted cruz because this rolls back almost all of obamacare. ted cruz and rand paul want to see a repeal and you may get them. if cruz is language can come in about the across state competition. they may be able to get back two or three of those republicans. i don't know what rand paul is after. >> marie: you may lose people like jeff flake, people who have tough races. do you think you will pass the senate? >> meghan: we had seven years to get this right and i don't unde

you've got two chairmen capable of doing bipartisan legislation, orrin hatch and lamar alexander.e've got to let them having hearings and do their process. >> so what is -- look, what is the price -- i know there's a politics infused into this whole debate. what do you want republicans to geoff up. we're trying to negotiate cease-fire. what does mitch mcconnell have to do to teak to the table. that's not reform. that is the possible and in urban parts of the country. so these $800 million worth of tax cuts in exchange for $800 million worth of medicaid cuts, that's not a health care bill, that's not a reform bill. we know we have problems with the individual marketplace. we are open to conferrings with how but a big medical cade cut in exchange for a big tax cut for what we'll who are already doing -- well, it's not a health care bill. >> the true sort of the rand paul and others said, look, you do this now, it's an entitlement that never goes away and all of a sudden you think the federal budget is impossible to get into balance, now you add medicaid to that and that's going to b

senate finance committee chairman orrin hatch says president trump might be backing off his goal of a 15% rate as republicans negotiate tax reform. take a listen. >> corporate tax rates are not going to change the balance of the budget. but certainly can help. yeah, would be wonderful if we get them down to 15%. now i think the president probably come off a bit of that particular figure recently but i would like to fet them down, if get them down to 25% or 20% i think this country would turn around overnight. david: gary, 25% doesn't sound competitive. i think of canadians up north, theirs is 15%. ireland, where some u.s. companies have gone, 12 1/2%. 25% there is no competitive advantage for us. >> we are competing with every other country around the globe. it behooves to get as close as low as possible as we can get. amazing to me they're he thinking about it. i have to tell you, if i had every dime how many times we heard change on numbers on taxes, as far as individual, as far as corporate, i would be a sill nair right now -- zillionaire. i hope they think low, low, low. david: ja

john chafee, orrin hatch, chuck grassley who had this brilliant idea in 1983 to create exchanges -- in the 1993 to create exchanges. the folks who had low income would benefit from a sliding scale tax credit. as income goes lower -- 1993just legislation in and 2004 in massachusetts, the idea was the individual mandate. people had to get coverage and employers had to provide coverage for the employees. the fifth provision was if you are a health care insurer and want to stop people from getting coverage, you cannot do that. that turned out to be the foundation of the affordable care act. at many people know it. the stuff my republican friends are most critical of is their stuff. go figure. everything i do, i know i can do better. the affordable care act can be better. we had 80 days worth of hearings, roundtables, discussion in committee. over 300 amendments were offered. process,t a perfect but very much an open process. one of the things that concerns me these days is that this process is closed. democrats a couple years ago, we had a saying in the homeland security department -- if y

and then senator orrin hatch retweeted. he said let us be clear this is not trying to be overly dramatic. thousands of people will die if the republican healthcare bill becomes law. and tweeted you and said the brief time we were not recusing those, we disagreed with the murder. any regrets at using the rhetoric you used considering what senator hatch said? >> chuck, what the republican proposal does is throw 23 million americans off of health insurance. what part of harvard university and the scientists determined when you throw 23 million people off of health insurance, people with cancer, people with diabetes, thousands of people will die. i wish i didn't have to say it. this is not me. this is study after study making this point. it is common sense. if you have cancer and your insurance is taken away from you, there is a likelihood you will die. and certainly a likelihood you will become much sicker than you are today. that's the facts. unpleasant, but it's true. second of all, while they throw 23 million people off of

orrin hatch said he had a problem calling it a dipsy doodle. paul ryan said this morning, i don't see it as an appropriate comment. this idea that it was beneath the dignity of the office, something that was said not only by lindsey graham but senator ben sass as well. sass doesn't necessarily share the same views of the president. they're not particularly close. i asked sarah huckabee sanders about that idea regarding the dignity of the office. >> a couple of the criticisms from supporters of the president have been this particular tweet was denortheast the dignity of the office. where does the president draw that line on the dignity of the office? >> i think he shows that every day. the decisions he's making, the priorities he's laid out in his agenda. he's not going to sit back and be attacked by the liberal media, hollywood elites. when they hit him, he's going to hit back. >> in addition the republican colleagues blasting the president, democrats are taking it to another level. claiming that the tweet was sexist, aimed at a woman a very pe

if everybody wants, you can check, senator orrin hatch was deputized by the united states marshal servicei do not know what the issue was. he carried a firearm in the halls of congress. his life was probably being threatened for whatever the issue was. host: in the capital, as most folks who have visited no, there are metal the detectors at airport level security. even in the case of this shooting, although u.s. capitol police were there, these alexandria police was on the scene in three minutes. protections for members of congress, is it necessary for them to carry guns themselves? caller: the two capitol police who heroically did their jobs, what if they were killed outright? no one else there had a firearm, at which point this individual was going to do what he came there to do and a lot of people going to die. after the capitol police did do their job, that was prevented. if they were killed outright, there would have been no one there. if someone would have had a firearm, they could have defended themselves and others. if you want to look through the world through rose-colored glasse

for democrats, how do you reach across the aisle to get someone like chuck schumer to work with orrin hatch going to happen or is the agenda going to be stalled? >> well, i don't think that a shooting like this is going to make the democrats all of a sudden agree that obamacare needs to be repealed or that tax reform should go the way that republicans want it to, right? these are fundamental disagreements on ideology, and the way that we address fundamental disagreements in this country on ideology and policy is having elections not by shooting people, and so i am hopeful. i'm really not a fan, to be honest, adam, of the blaming of rhetoric or the left for the culture and actions of the gunman. i don't like blaming the gun. it is the person who did the shooting who is responsible, but i think that maybe hopefully people on all sides take a step back and say how are we treating each other? how are we talking to each other and maybe we shouldn't accuse each other of the worst motives all the time. that would be a healthy development. adam: guy benson, thank you for joining us this evening. >>

it is a lot like the children's health insurance program works, ted kennedy and orrin hatch negotiated i think the republicans play a very perilous game if their sense is that they're going to reduce the deficit by $300 billion over ten years, by taking health insurance away from 22 million people and 15 million of them next year. this bill cuts medicaid by $700 billion. >> $772 billion. >> i know. but i wanted to do a neat round thing. $700 billion to give a $700 billion tax cut. 45% of which goes to the top 1% and most of the rest of which goes to people who are in the top 10 or 15%. i don't think that's politically something you can take out to the country. i happen to think it is wrong. i think it is political suicide. that's why someone like dean heller is backing away from this bill as fast as he can. >> he was already in so much troubl trouble, take a listen. >> i want you to see a picture of somebody, a face that goes along with this. that's my daughter. >> okay. >> okay. >> she's beautiful. >> she is beautiful. but now i want you to see her in treatment. >> oh, my gosh. >> oka

if anyone can help pull this together it's him and orrin hatch and the others that are involved. it's hard. it's hard doing major reform of entitlement programs, something involving insurance at any level, especially health insurance, it's very difficult work. and they have virtually no margin of votes, like we had no margin to work with, theirs is tighter. i want to be respectful of the work they're engaged in. i would say this, as part of getting them the reconciliation vehicle we always understood there were changes, at least i understood, there would be changes to the bill, hopefully improvements in the bill. you always want your legislation to get better. to that end, we carved out some head room if you will, about $86 billion that would be available to make other changes within the bill that they have access to. you see the data coming out of h.h.s. and its actuarial studies are far more realistic than c.b.o.'s and the insurance number. so i -- i'm hopeful. i think they'll get something back to us and then we'll have to evaluate it in the context of the -- of the votes we h

fact, it's unclear who does know what's in the bill since the senate finance committee chairman, orrin hatcher of the senate health care working group of 13 republican senators claims he doesn't even know. bloomberg news reporter ca purchase tweeting reporter asks what's in senate health bill, saying public doesn't know. well, join the crowd. i'm in the same category. this morning, senator john thune, another one of those 13 republican senators was almost equally vague. >> right now it's discussions. it's policy options, and i thin point where we'll reduce it to legislative language where it will be shared. >> to be clear this is insane and unprecedented. this is a sixth of the economy and no one knows, apparently not even the 13 people negotiating it what it is. craft the bill in secret, drop it on the public, try to. ja it through. the movement to resist is now ringing alarms as loud as it can. >>> joining me now naomi klein i needed something more to help control my type 2 diabetes. my a1c wasn't were it needed to be. so i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a

that was by senator orrin hatch.ably figured out these are republicans criticizing how democrats put together obamacare. hypocrisy is no stranger to capitol hill. democrats have the capacity to be engaged today in actions that outraged them yesterday. perhaps republicans owe us more than secret meetings about an issue that effects millions simply because they don't want to hear a little criticism. i know, you're shocked there's gambling going on here. we'll be right back. their experience is coveted. their leadership is instinctive. they're experts in things you haven't heard of. researchers of technologies that one day you will. some call them the best of the best. some call them veterans. we call them our team. what in real time?stomer insights from the data wait, our data center and our clouds can't connect? michael, can we get this data to...? look at me...look at me... look at me... you used to be the "yes" guy. what happened to that guy? legacy technology can handcuff any company. but "yes" is here. so, you're

look at this again, senator orrin hatch, $471,560 in contributions from the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry. >> these don't pair off with other numbers, voting numbers. think of president trump's base, forgotten americans who said obamace is not servi me. i need to be cared about. president trump said, i'm not -- i'm draining the swamp, special interest groups mean nothing to me. now look at these numbers and look at these actions and help me understand that math. >> there are more than 15, 16 groups that wanted meetings with mitch mcconnell to talk about how this legislation would help them. the other day i spoke to the american diabetes association -- >> aarp. >> didn't get a meeting. speaking to the cancer society this afternoon, didn't get a meeting. but if you contributed that kind of money, probably you got more than a meeting, you had input into the design of this bill and that is fundamentally what is wrong with this bill. this is not a bill for the people. this is a bill for the health care industry. >> this bill has not been voted on so we're going to see what actually ha

mitch mcconnell, in an unprecedented insult to the committee and a personal insult to chairman orrin hatch, removed the bill from the finance committee and created, out of thin air, a group, a group of 13 republican men to replace the finance committee. they were extraordinarily lucky to be brought into the room for the most important legislation on the agenda. and in turn for this astounding, unprecedented honor, this elevation to this unique group of 13, this honor that mitch mcconnell gave them, most of them gave mitch mcconnell absolutely nothing. only three of the men on the group of 13 are supporting the bill that they came up with, with mitch mcconnell. nine of them. nine of them are undecided, and one of them is opposed. one of the 13 hand-picked senators who was supposed to do this with mitch mcconnell is opposed to what they did. but that's better. that is actually better than what would have happened to mitch mcconnell's bill in the senate finance committee. mitch mcconnell knew that if he sent the bill to the senate finance committee, that it would have died in the senate finan

also, manu raju and folks, orrin hatch, say this may be difficult to pass in a week's time. >> for matters of the public discussion, this is more or less the same as the house bill. people are trying to figure out how does it differ, does it thread the needle in the senate. generally it does the same thing the house bill does, and ordinary people won't make a distinction between will the medicaid changes occur in four years, six years -- the trump care rolls back medicaid. i think this is after extraordinarily hard sell. i think the republicans are in a legislative dead end. let's keep in mind the affordable care act has an approval rating around 51%, 52%. the highest rating for trump care in the mid 30s now. some of the ratings above 20%. the congress is basically trying to replace something -- something that is generally popular with something that is not popular. it's hard to see where they go with this. frankly, you could argue that this is completely crazy. >> rana, any surprises in here? what's your take? >> the only surprise is that there's been so much secrecy, although maybe it's

. ♪ >> tucker: senator orrin hatch with a record of the night, and i say he writes about the dave division to fix it. he uses his example as a way forward. he says, i am grateful for the late senator ted kennedy, who taught me that the bonds of friendship are stronger than any partisan poll. when i first rent-a-center, i thought he would be an adversary, instead, we became the best of friends. we were a case study and contradictions. he was an east coast liberal, i was a reagan conservative. he was a catholic, i was a mormon. yet, time and again, we were able to look past our differences and find areas of agreement and forge a consensus. by unlikely friendship with ted kennedy is a small example of what our nation can accomplish if we choose respect and community. ">> martha: the rest of that peace is recommended reading tonight. that is his story. we would like to hear yours. tweet us at @thestoryfnc using the hashtag #thestory. we'll be back here tomorrow night at 7:00. we look forward to seeing you again. tucker carlson comes up next. ♪ ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker c

republican senator orrin hatch retweeted sanders, adding "the brief time when we were not accusing those we disagree with of murder was nice while it lasted." joining us from washington is politico's daniel lipman, co-author of the political playbook. thanks for joining us. you have five republican senators in opposition, and a group actually tied to the president is hitting back at one of them. dean heller of nevada. talk to us about that. how effective is the strategy going to be. what do they have planned? >> they're going to spend $1 million in both digital ads and tv ads starting this week. they're saying he is violating the promise to revote the obama care law. a lot of people think in the republican party believe that this will backfire on that pro-trump group because mcconnell advisors say if you really are shooting at people in your base, you're trying to undermine fellow republican senators. that doesn't do the party any good for 2018. >> the opposition is not just kind of from centrist or moderate republicans. it's also come from some within the right of the republican party.

leading this process is republican senate finance chairman orrin hatch. >> well i don't know there'sng to be another hearing, but we've invited you to participate. >> desjardins: who stressed to mccaskill that he wants democratic ideas, if not more hearings and votes. but that differs from hatch in 2009, when republicans were the minority, and he thought democrats were moving too fast on health care. >> we at least ought to take the time to do it right. >> desjardins: in the end, it took democrats 14 months to pass their health care bill in 2009. that's why this moment is critical-- the senate will make or break health care reform. and senate leaders, including hatch, have said they want to pass a full health care bill by the end of this month. that's just nine or ten legislative days away. for the pbs newshour, i'm lisa desjardins. >> woodruff: stay with us, coming up on the newshour: it's politics monday. a look at the week ahead for the white house. cancer screening tests traditions in india. and why professional baseball teams are trying to win over this baby. but first, there is

. >> narrator: friends like senator orrin hatch of utah. the senator declined to be interviewed. his state is seen as the global center for dietary supplement manufacturing. his son has lobbied for the industry, and hatch himself has owned shares in at least one supplement company. he's never hidden the fact he's a believer. >> we know that the american people are not a bunch of kooks or a bunch of dummies, and what the people want is the right to use products which have helped them for centuries. >> narrator: the campaign worked. >> jerry kessler said, "forget this law that's going to actually regulate. we need a law that says you can't regulate these products." and he named it the dietary supplement, health, and education act. he came up with the name of it, jerry kessler did, a manufacturer. >> narrator: the one concession the fda did get was an agreement that manufacturers would not make unproven health claims. >> and so, for example, they can't say their products cure arthritis or prevent heart disease, but they can say they support things like bone density, promote cardiova

a question that seemed to fluster utah senator orrin hatch. >> so my first question that i would makehair is, will we have a hearing on the healthcare proposal? >> will we? >> yes. >> i -- i think we've already had one, but -- >> no, i mean on the proposal that you're planning to bring to the floor of the senate for a vote. will there be a hearing? >> what -- >> democrats have been invited to participate in this process and we are open to new ideas and suggestions -- >> well i don't know that there's going to be another hearing, but we've invited you to participate. >> seth: oh, man. that was like telling grandpa who someone is. "this is kevin, joe and mary's son." "oh." [ light laughter ] also, if there haven't been any hearings then you haven't invited them to participate. "you should come to dinner tonight!" "great, where do you live?" "i'm not telling you!" [ light laughter ] so republicans are huddling behind closed doors to write a secret heathcare bill and the president is bogged down by an escalating scandal. june 14th will forever be remembered as the day we found out the pre

orrin hatch for decades, lamb march alexander for decades, both of them relatively recently on tax extenders, on repealing no child left behind. these are not easy issues but these two chairman, because they understand the committee hearing process, baw -- because they earned those gavels, because they earned those gavels. i can only imagine the frustration. i'm a progressive and i support the affordable care act. but if i were sitting there as a republican member of the help committee or the finance committee, and these bills were going through and taking the country in a direction that i objected to, and if i were the ranking member or maybe a couple off from being the ranking member, i'd be thinking to myself i can't wait until i get that gavel back, so i can have my own hearings and i can listen to expert testimony and i can craft a bill. that's what i want to do. that's the point of being a legislator, is to actually work together on a bipartisan basis. everybody knows that the chairman or the chairwoman, you know, has the lion's share of the authority. but it's still a collaborative pr