wanted to make a film by the time i was 25, partly because that's when citizen kane was made by orson welles and partly because i knew that filmmaking was a selfish endeavor, that if i one day had a wife and had a kid, it would just get harder and harder and harder because i don't mind eating ramen, but it's hard to force your kids to do it. (laughing) and so, i really was on this trajectory of making something. the problem was there was some knowledge gaps. after leaving film school, i was in the directing program, which was you know, kind of a coveted slot at film school but they didn't teach me any practical producing skills and oddly enough, no one wanted to show up to arkansas to make my movie for me. (laughing) and so, i ended up moving down to austin and was very fortunate to get a job with margaret brown, the filmmaker making a documentary about townes van zandt, which is extraordinary. - be here to love me. - be here to love me, if you guys haven't seen it. - a terrific film. - and working with her kind of filled in some practical knowledge gaps, how to budget, how to schedule, how