.: how orwell's nightmare is becoming our reality" in an hour, john dean talks about his book the nixon defense, what he knew and when he knew it. and then ben carson discusss one nation: what we can all do to save america's future. after wards with theresa payton is next. cheryl chumley book "police state u.s.a.: how orwell's nightmare is becoming our reality" traffic light cameras, drone monitoring and more is amounting to a police state that must be rolled back. this program is about an hour. >> host: cheryl, it a pleasure to be here and i enjoyed your book "police state u.s.a.: how orwell's nightmare is becoming our reality" i am a data junky by nature. i love the opportunity to talk with people about how to protect their data. d

.: how orwell's nightmare is becoming our reality" traffic light cameras, drone monitoring and more is amounting to a police state that must be rolled back. this program is about an hour. >> host: cheryl, it a pleasure to be here and i enjoyed your book "police state u.s.a.: how orwell's nightmare is becoming our reality" i am a data junky by nature. i love the opportunity to talk with people about how to protect their data. and we have so many modern day privacy issues that are coming up. and what i love about what you do is it is so well researched and thoughtful and provoking. so i am excited to talk with you today and have a conversation about what people need to know and is there actually anything we can do about it. i think you gave me a little hope here in the book. one of things i thought was interesting was the nsa revelation. i wrote about that in my book privacy in the age of big data. and consumers don't realize bigs business collecting data and whether it is cooperation or ho cohersion is up to you. >> thank you so much. it is a pleasure to speak with you and i'm glad you

. - bourbon street, let's give it up for the orwells! [rock music playing] ♪ - ♪ you better toss your bullets ♪ ♪ you better hide your guns ♪ ♪ you better help the children ♪ ♪ let 'em have some fun ♪ - number one dad! - you want a ham sandwich? - yes! [harmonica notes] - ♪ wonk wonk (cheers and applause) ♪ >> jon: welcome to the show tonight! a gentleman by the name of stephen johnson, author of "how we got to now," a very timely book because -- it is now. breaking news today! >> attorney general eric holder is stepping down after nearly six years on the job. >> eric has agreed to stay on as attorney general until i nominate a successor confirmed by the senate. >> jon: so he will never leave! (laughter) he's not only acting on any confirmation hearings currently, they're busy (bleep) their pants. >> i.s.i.s. has hit us at home. >> killed thousands, marching on. >> can't bury our heads. >> action needs to be taken. >> needs to rise to the occasion before we get killed back at home. >> jon: all of us killed! we'll be the dead as the art o

burma, now myanmar, where orwell once served as a colonial policeman, where he first had grown to despisehe apparatus of a colonial state, became more orwellian than imagined, in a nation where even having an opinion could be dangerous. >> i am very honored to be here at this university and to be the first president of the united states of america to visit your country. >> morning in yangon, to nearly everyone's surprise, there have been some huge changes in recent months. >> difficult time in transition is when we think that success is -- >> nobel prize-winning democracy champion, aung san suu kyi, after 15 years in house arrest, was released and is now taking an active role in politics. just as the door is opening, my crew and i are among the first to record what has been unseen for decades by most of the world. meanwhile, this southeast asian country of 80 million people is collectively holding its breath, waiting to see what's next, and will this loosening of government grip last. of course, morning in yangon has always been about tea. it's black indian-style tea, usually with a thick

i didn't have to read george orwell to know about doublespeak. that was the beginning of my journey, many years ago, decades ago, that is how i was introduced to my birth grandfather, nikita khrushchev's son, leonid krushchev. it was mentioned it was a detective investigation. it was indeed because i grew up knowing krushchev's son was always the hero. my first grandfather was always the hero. as it turned out, in recent years more and more accounts have come out to convince the public that he was a traitor to the nazis, he was the benedict arnold of the russian state, the soviet state. the reason it is such an important story to meet is today we witness when we look at ukraine or the russian propaganda, the kremlin propaganda, we hear a lot of this nazi rhetoric, anti nazi rhetoric, apparently as we were told recently by vladimir putin, the siege of the cities in east ukraine are just like the siege of leningrad during world war ii so it is important to understand that once you mention the nazi, for the russians it almost becomes an excuse for a

that is straight out of george orwell.hen people think of it in the need to think first and foremost what is the data being used war? can i be given a heads of. and if so, then people need to be in control of how that is allowed to be used, specifically and most alarmingly. >> you definitely hit on some really great areas. law enforcement. they have one thing. i need you to work this. elected officials sometimes sang this can never happen again. something as horrible as the boston marathon,. how did you miss the clues? on a rule that anything like this happen again. you see this of violence is completely different. i think we all agree that we don't like to tragedies like the up. you mentioned in the book sometimes in his those tragic events. in that moment people want action. sometimes they don't realize and maybe actually trading off a little bit of their privacy. talk about what you discovered. >> sort of following the tragedy. in now, to one along force was justified. root of the two terrorists. the action. but what i

the places they debated orwell marked -- are well marked. in virginia can go anywhere without seeing a gray and black sign to denote someone famous... battle, mymous famous is the church of the blind preacher. it is great they take their history so seriously. you will never find anything to denote the spots where they debated each other. hopefully we can change that. >> to questions. out whatle to tease parts of the district of the the congressional district of virginia were supported one or the other candidate? certain segments of society? what was any role at all of thomas jefferson and george washington? >> those are quick questions. first, why did some people fall in the federal aside ? to generalize, federalist people engaged in the mercantile trade who can see the benefit of having the same currency when i go two miles north. i can see the benefit of having a government with national trade policy for the british to stop taxing my goods. people who were not engaged in trade, some of those folks said i don't know about this new governmen

this makes no sense it is a dangerous cycle reminiscent of george orwell 1984 and he wrote'' the facthat this moment for example, oceanic was at war with asia an alliance with a station actually only four years there were at war. officially the changing partners never happened. oceanic was at war with eurasia therefore it had always been at war with eurasia. the enemy of the moment always represented absolute evil and any path for future agreement was impossible. this administration has no sense of past or future. all of those familiar with the human carnage inflicted by the civil war in syria pray for its end. the goal of our action should not be to end it by supporting aside. the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend. not the nibbler of another enemy is to also be clear should not be contingent on political reconciliation between shiites and baghdad the administration has become distracted by the hope to achieve the of reconciliation but there we're engaged in a sectarian civil war since 63280 the height of hubris and ignorance to suggest the american president can resolve of 15

. -- orwell wrote, quote, at this moment, for example, in 1984, owessanna was at were with a eurasian ya and alliance with east asia. actually only three years since oceana had been at war with east asia and alliance with asia. but officially the change of partners had never happened. oceana was at war with eurasian. there are, oceana had always been at war with eurasia. this administration seems to have no sense of past or future. all of those familiar with the terrible human carnage inflicted by the civil towbar syria pray for its end. but the goal of our action in isis should not be to end it by supporting assad. the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend. and sometimes the goal is the destruction of the enemy who poses an imminent threat to our national security, not the enabler of yet another enemy of america. it should also be clear that any action we take against isis should in no way be contingent on political reconciliation between sunnies and shiites in baghdad. this administration has often become distracted by the hope to achieve this reconciliation but the sad truth is

indeed, it's a dangerous cycle reminiscens of george orwell's " 1984." he wrote "at this moment in 1984, oceana was at war with asia and in alliance with east asia. actually it was only four years since oceana had been at war with east asia and a alliance with east asia. but officially change of partners had never happened. they were at war with oceana and there are had always been at war with asia. the enemy of the moment, and any past or future agreement with him was impossible. this administration seems to have no sense of past or future. all of those familiar with the terrible human carnage inflicted by the civil yar in syria pray for its end. but the goal of our action in isis should not be to end it by supporting assad. the enemy of my enemy is not always my friend. and sometimes the goal is the destruction of the enemy who poses an imminent threat to our national security, not the enabler of yet another enemy of america. it should also are cleared that any action we take against isis should in no way be contingent on political reconciliation betwe