here now is novelist and orwell biographer, d.j. taylor. the author of "orwell: the life."nice to be here, brooke. >> when you heard the comments made by this president yesterday, you tell me what crossed your mind. >> well, i immediately thought, because this has been going on for some time now for a couple years, i thought this is the latest installment, the latest chapter in the trump orwell story. because as you remember, as soon as he was inaugurated in january of last year, sales of 1984 rose so exponentially that the publishers could keep pace with demand. they went up by several thousand percent because people thought that a new autocratic style of world government had emerged with trump at the forefront. and so my immediate thought was that we are back in the world that orwell created where what you read in the newspapers, what you hear on the radio, is not necessarily accurate. it's being tampered with. it's being fiddled about within a way that suits controlling forces that you yourself the private citizen can't see. that was my original thought. >> but d.j., thi

couldn't have made this up i mean george orwell had that famous line didn't i'm going to misquote which is the party didn't like history so the party rewrote the history and then the history was good or whatever it was they went in the sense that's what trichet and facebook are doing why are the why are they so scared of road course to buy try columbia on r.t.r. say what i think no doubt later you have somebody with a different view and that's who people are what they want strong opinions fairly debated and they thought they were getting that which which had facebook and other media plus social media platforms but it's quite clear now then you know the people who own this the people in silicon valley who are predominantly left leaning certainly liberal in the right you to the world are controlling it just like an old fashioned fleet street editor and we are being conned and facts just ask me shallow ban completely now or is it that i'm surprised on we've not heard the phrase trying to influence elections being used yet because if you're withholding information that you know can can infl

then he took a page straight from orwell's classic "1984." >> what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. just stick with us. don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. [ audience reacts ] >> that is the vfw. afterward, the vfw released a statement, saying it was disappointed in its members who booed the media and that it was happy to have all the networks attend as invited guests. >> don't believe what you see. don't believe what you read. don't believe what you hear with your own ears. >> gaslighting. >> gaslighting in america, all right. seven minutes after the hour. >>> cnn has learned the white house is no longer releasing summaries of the president's phone calls with world leaders, ending a longstanding practice by republican and democratic administrations, raising concerns that the only narrative on the president's calls will come from foreign governments. president trump has had at least two calls with world leaders in the last two weeks with the white house confirming the calls took place after they were reported by foreign media. th

. >>> president trump drawing comparisons to george orwell this morning after turning his appearance at a vfw convention in kansas city into a campaign rally. the president used the event to defend his tariffs on u.s. trading partners, telling his supporters, we don't apologize for america anymore. then he took a page straight from orwell's classic "1984." >> what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. just stick with us. don't believe the crap you see from these people, the fake news. [ audience reacts ] >> afterward, the vfw released a statement saying it was "disappointed" in its members who booed the media and that it was happy to have all the networks attend as invited guests. >>> ivanka trump is shutting down her fashion brand with plans to focus instead on public policy. ivanka retains limited ownership of her business. that limited ownership means it reduces potential ethics violations while she serves as senior adviser to her father, the president, but sources say that given these restrictions, ivanka decided it didn't make sense to keep the company r

a picture of netanyahu taking a selfie but remastered to ref george orwell's "animal farm." all animals are equal but some more than others. it's not the orwell reference to power and privilege that sparked the outrage, rather the fact that pigs are considered impure in judaism. the jerusalem report which published the original cartoon said it wouldn't work with the cartoonist anymore. but since then there has been a wave of public support. crowd funding page has been opened. and another journalist resigned from the paper in protest. >> i'm not sure film' reading this right, but we're going to gypt with a strange story of impersonation. >> yes, two imposstors were found out thanks to a visitor at the cairo zoo who noticed that paint was dripping off one of the zebras. upon closer inspection, it turns out the zebra was a donkey on which stripes had been painted by the zoo managers. experts promptly confirmed this online saying the snout of the zebra is black and ears much shorter. but the stoo's director didn't give in and in an interview he maintained and insisted that this

patrick, is this what orwell warned about. >> it is what he warned about.nited states to basically tell americans don't believe what you see with your own eyes. i mean, what -- what kind of sort of moral leadership is that in what sort of integrity are you holding up with that? yes, to david's point early yerl and yours, a lot of americans right now think about right track and wrong track and they feel like you know we had -- we are having economic growth that is really significant growth. you have 4.1% second quarter growth, you know on track for a very strong year. a lot of republicans certainly feel like the right track, you know, is here. and president trump is leading that way. but you know the question becomes this isn't just sort of little kind of white lies or sort of spinning here and there. it is you know the united states's democracy being under attack from the russian government and president trump being in a room standing next to vladimir putin being asked will you in front of the entire world you know denounce what russia is doing? and instead

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. >> it's straight out of orwell. orwell, what he wrote it's practically a shooting script for donald trump. i'm not suggesting that donald trump read it. the evidence is he doesn't read. the point being there is a method to this, and the method is to convince people that the only truth is the truth that comes from me, the ultimate power. and he has made some way in that -- as several people have said before me he's not just attacking the truths, he wants to annihilate the truth. he wants to move us completely into the post-truth political era in which there's no such thing as objective facts. he has all the facts, he has all the information, just listen to him. that's what he's preaching and that's his presidency. i also agree there's no desperation. i do think that the appearance of closing the mueller investigation, some of what's happening with some of his former counsel, mr. cohen, i think thig is beginning to tell on him some. as he gets more desperate he takes bigger risks in telling bigger lies or more often t

. >> coming up for us, echoes of orwell?sident draws a contrast after telling a crowd don't believe what you see. duncan just protected his family with a $500,000 life insurance policy. how much do you think it cost him? $100 a month? $75? $50? actually, duncan got his $500,000 for under $28 a month. less than a dollar a day. his secret? selectquote. in just minutes, a selectquote agent will comparison shop nearly a dozen highly-rated life insurance companies, and give you a choice of your five best rates. duncan's wife cassie got a $750,000 policy for under $22 a month. give your family the security it needs at a price you can afford. a book that you're ready to share with the world? get published now, call for your free publisher kit today! >>> and just remember what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. just stick with us. don't believe the crap you see from these people. >> that was right there, the president of the united states standing before a crowd of war veterans in kansas city yesterday wa

technology you hardly notice but don't let yourself be fold they're still there it's like in george orwell's novel nineteen eighty-four. yeah i want to know just how accurate this software is transit authority employee takes a photo of me and uploads it into the system then images from six taxis appear mine is not among them. so does the work but all of them are foreigners to this man looks a bit like you i took it maybe we just need more data from foreigners to improve our accuracy. even here in china surveillance systems are not perfect but the country is working hard to fix that. our last report comes from australia peterhof has been running a vineyard in new south wales for three decades he believes that closer trade ties with the european union could benefit his business. one by with only three hundred inhabitants qualifies as a town by australian standards it is a two hour drive north of sydney and at the edge is a small vineyard. peterhof and his wife have been running it successfully for the past three decades. we are in the middle of the hunter valley southeastern australia second l

technology you hardly notice but don't let yourself be fold they're still there it's like in george orwell'snovel nineteen eighty-four. yeah i want to know just how accurate this software is a transit authority employee takes a photo of me and uploads it into the system. then images from six taxis appear mine is not among them. but all of them a foreigner as this man looks a bit like you i think that maybe we just need more data from foreigners to improve our accuracy. even here in china surveillance systems are not perfect but the country is working hard to fix that. for years from now thanks for watching . climate change. waste. pollution. time for good. eco africa people and projects that are changing alarms are meant for the better it's up to us to make a difference he can lead. the w.

technology you hardly notice but don't let yourself be fold this still there it's like in george orwell'snovel nineteen eighty-four. yeah i want to know just how accurate the software is a transit authority employee takes a photo of me and uploads it into the system then images from six taxis appear mine is not among them. so are the words but all of them are foreigners this man looks of it like you i took a maybe we just need more data from foreigners to improve our accuracy. even here in china surveillance systems are not perfect but the country is working hard to fix that. reporting their. now the world cup in russia has been as much about the fans as it has been about the teams they've come from all over the world to watch the term and bringing vibrancy and color to moscow and the other host cities for some it wouldn't be a party without a special outfit we followed a trio of fans who wanted to stand out from the rest of the crowd. i'm pretty. these three fans want to dress to impress. on affecting the president not the fans come to us before the game they want to share that love for

or as george orwell wrote in the novel "1984" reject the evidence of your eyes and your ears.resident dominating airwaves this morning even when he didn't plan to be. former fixer michael cohen release add secretly recorded audiotape featuring donald trump discussing a payment involving a former playboy model. and giving a public boost to the press after the president attacked reporters as fake news during an event yesterday. and speaking of campaign lines from years ago, egging on high school students in a chant of "lock her up" and the hammering the white house for trade policies and a government bailout to farmers. one senator likens to the economic graft of the soviet union. one republican senator, i might point out. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." it's wednesday, july 25th. i'm willie geist alongside nbc news capitol hill correspondent host of k.c. d.c., kasie hunt. >> welcome, guys. >> lightning, let us know. >> waiting for the barnicle hot tape flames. >> might be coming today. >> one today? a tease from msnbc contributor mike barnicle. also with us, national af

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. >>> well, if it's thursday, as george orwell said, it's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words. tonight, the real motive behind the president's growing authoritarian behavior. >> just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> plus, tweet exposure. why the special counsel is zeroing in on the president's tweets. >>> and tariff backlash. has mr. trump lost the pulse of the heartland? >> we're not bailing out any farmers. >> could trump voters in 2020 and 2016 elect democrats in 2018 in the midwest? >> the farmers love me. >> this is "mtp daily" and it starts right now. >>> good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. buckle up, folks. there is reporting in "the new york times" that suggests bob mueller thinks some of the president's tweets might be evidence of obstruction of justice or even witness tampering. and that's not all. "the wall street journal" is reporting that the trump organization cfo, allen weisselberg, somebody we introduced you to yesterday, known as the president's long-time financial gate keeper, is being called to tes

anyway, orwell, i was ready for those guys. >> i want to talk about the cia spying.'s jump to december the second, 1974 and look at image for. >> what is two and three like. [laughter] >> very good question. >> there it is. >> there it is. >> operation repaired against inside us workforces and other dissidents in the nixon years. you comment on this and also how you got so much space? >> there's a lot in the book about it because when i started -- first, a lot of reasons -- i had a contract that came out for a book having to do with protecting people who are still in clear intelligence people -- >> and you couldn't -- >> there was a talk about how the people view the constitution as a nuisance and [inaudible] he was paying for it with billions of dollars that he was parking in various banks and i know where and who and how it worked. this is a complete violation of the constitution. ... they said do a memoir. do one that you really didn't want to do. how do another one in ten years. that was my concern. i kept on saying you can be alive and be legendary. with that le

this sends many of us back to the pages of george orwell's 1984 with the subversion of truth. remember this exchange between the protagonist and antagonist? how can i help seeing what is in front of my eyes. two and two are four. sometimes there are five. sometimes there are three. sometimes they are all of them at once. are we back to an orwellian future? are we? >> that's a real danger of it. when actually the executive power decide what is is real and what is not, what is truth and what are lies. the thing about or well's book, it came out in 1949 and he died in 1950. the crucial thing so soon after the war was that everybody felt the bad guys, the nazis or star led that they made their bad work through violence and through war. through concentration camps. or well's life was about the power of words and politics. they knew the destruction of language was at least as powerful as concentration camp guards and barbed wire. his major point when he described how a big brother and that dictatorship achieved that power was to talk about the narrowing and diminishment of language

others include unpublished love letters written by george orwell and a stanley spencer portrait thatge because he was an internationally known figure and he painted seriously all his life. he started life as a painter and then turned to acting. this is the first—ever exhibition of his work. although it concentrates mainly in the last 20 years, it is a significant thing. it is a big responsibility. john had been asked in the past, i think, if he wanted to have an exhibition and he kind of pushed... i haven't enough work or it wasn't good enough. i can only hope that he would be quietly chuffed, you know. but he may well be up there in some way or another saying, what are you doing? it is a great chance to see works by a man who never exhibited during his lifetime. ian barmer, bbc news now it's time for a look at the weather with tomasz the heat wave continues with temperatures rising even further this week, but not for everybody and i cannot stress the really high temperatures as far as this week is concerned will be concentrated across southeastern and eastern parts of the country. o

confidently towards the future and a very solid view from stephen key food remains with us of george orwell's one thousand nine hundred forty thinks that the way the world is heading is stephen writes the northern hemisphere a dictatorial power blocs fighting over the resources of the southern hemisphere as in scotland it to be in the uni is a block of e.u. and russia luciana block off america and if are we to be the northernmost part of that airstrip well abscessed the enough stephen george osborne wrote the sport to stop ian masterpiece in scotland so you may be on to something there and finally this week for a minute who is talking about the national security capability of unis worry that the increase funding for the world service is basically a state funded propaganda channel using its state and capitalism to push their agenda the exclusion of all others actually but it was you read a tweet that gave us inspiration to do this program on soft power that's absolutely true that one passes propaganda is another person's information as we're trying to deploy in this program much of these organ

technology you hardly notice but don't let yourself be fooled they're still there it's like in george orwell'snovel nineteen eighty-four. yeah i want to know just how accurate the software is a transit authority employee takes a photo of me and uploads it into the system. then images from six taxis of. mine is not among them. but all of the foreigners this man looks a bit like you i think of you maybe we just need more data from foreigners to improve our accuracy. even here in china surveillance systems are not perfect but the country is working hard to fix that. sports now and there's just a day to go until the quarter finals of the world cup so straight over to moscow correspondent oliver moody who's been in the thick of things so to speak only is the excitement mounting there on the ground in russia as the later stages of the tournament near. yes certainly especially among the home fans with the hosts russia surprisingly still being in the tournament there's been a great sense of excitement throughout the competition but i think it goes off a notch at this stage the quarter finals i think o

on facebook so what i actually think it is it's sort of like one thousand nine hundred four george orwell again we thought it would be the government and they being our privacy we are giving access to our privacy by posting ourselves you know so. yes you can go you know down the street to your grocery store but say you're going to whole foods if you're using your amazon prime card should you assume that your you know your purchases with your amazon prime card regardless of whether or not you're ordering groceries from amazon that that might be actually what you could do you could be a very unhealthy person you could buy your friends food and then get lower insurance rates so you actually. you actually could be your day thinking you know i thought you were my last question is you know it just seems like i wish this weren't the case but it just seems like this is the beginning it's not the end of the it's just discussion about saving is stealing if it's yelling it's i think things we didn't actually say we wanted to be access but we're giving them a lot of these think you know you're you're

echoes a line from george orwell's 1984. the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. could be about to crack. 105 days until the midterms and this is the big headline from sabato's crystal ball. the house tilts toward the democrats. crystal ball just changed its ratings from 17 individual house races all of them moving in favor of democrats. and that includes steve king's seat in iowa. democrat connor lamb. only had to turn around and run again due to redistricting. has lamb up double digits who is an incumbent. if democrats succeed in taking back the house, that is the end of the president's protection. subpoena his tax returns, they could subpoena testimony from the trump administration. might have something to do with the president proposing a $12 billion bailout to farmers. it explains why the president's legal team is now offering the special counsel an interview excludeing obstruction. rudy giuliani telling the wall street journal. not long ago, giuliani acknowledged trump's words, attack on the mu

that was president trump turning into george orwell.the white house will no longer tell the public when the president speaks to foreign leaders, they're suspending this longstanding practice of releasing sum rays to the public. what has happened to transparency. max, do you agree with this? i feel like something shifted in helsinki. it was the first critical clear time when the public didn't have to take the press's word for what happened. the public got to see with their own eyes the president blame america, and vladimir putin, and say that yes, he did want trump to win, and since that moment, the white house and the public again can see this with their own eyes, are saying it happened there is, we all remember that roite reuters reported asked who he wanted to win. >> it you want president trump to win the election and did you direct any officials to do that? >> yes i did, yes i did. he talked about bringing the u.s. and russia relationship back to normal. >> in the official transcript from the white house, they changed reality. they

we're in the realm -- i am -- like the invocation of hitler, always hess tent to invoke orwell, it's easily invoked, but this is across the board, it all adds up to a genuinely orwellian set of circumstances happening in the white house. >> this is a white house press shop that has had moments of sloppiness and made mistakes with transcripts. that would be a lean for the video, too. the lack of a readout, noble noa troubling break for the president, it's not good for them. what these phone calls and meetings are like, instead we see time and time again foreign government get their readouts first and control the narrative. russia is particularly good at that. every interaction, heard the kremlin's side of the story first. the would us is missing an opportunity to try to sort of control the narrative around these meetings and since the readouts are circulated among government officials it just means they're going to leak at some point. >> and when altering transcripts and video trying to control the narrative in another way they think is a more effective way of doing it. simply by crea

. >> that was president trump again today with those comments that reminded some folks of orwell's "1984." sales of which have speck since inauguration day. here's how former long-time republican political strategicist steve schmitt reacted to those words today earlier on this network. >> when you're able to convince somebody what is sermt true is not, when you can embrace the big lie with the same type of feckiveness that facist movements used, that hitler used it, that mussolini used it, soviets used it, then you're well on your way to doing grave and lastings damage to the fundamental institutional pillars of a democratic republic like the united states. >> with us for this important discussion tonight, doris kearns goodwin, presidential historian and author. she's written bestsellers about, oh, for starters, the kennedys,ings l b.j. and others. her book will be available on september 18th. i happen to know you became a grand parent for the third time this 340r7k. >> hoor ray. >> and back to reality we snap. what do you make of folding tonight's lead story into the times and the way t

the quote was often compared to pis line from george orwell's novel "1984," tty told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. it was their final most essential command. blayne alexander is tracking trade and tariffs tonight for us, blayne? >> reporter: certainly, there's a lot to track on that frontea ng to that same group today the president promised american farmers that the tarils w pay off eventually. today his administration says that help is on the promising billions of dollars in emergency aid, but critics s that they have a better idea. stop the trade war that made it necessar in the first place. with the trade war heating up, president trump sending help to american farmers caught in the crossfire. this is the time to take off the rip-off of tariffs. we have to do it. >> reporter: the administration nouncing $12 billion in temporary aid for farmers hit hard by retaliatory tariffs. >> i it's two yea we'll have a lot of problems. >> reporter: president trump made it clear that the trade war is not ending soon saying that tariffs are the greatest and promising this event

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in hispresident, dystopian novel, "1984," george orwell wrote the party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and years, it was the most final, essential command. well, we saw earlier this weekend in helsinki what was truly an orwellian moment. amy: the trump administration on thursday announced plans to roll back the endangered species act, ordering federal agencies to consider economic impacts before listing animals as protected under the law. the newly proposed guidelines by the interior department would allow corporations involved in mining, drilling, or other forms of extraction to proceed with projects that would otherwise be prohibited. in response, the natural resources defense council tweeted, "this is unacceptable. the esa is a wildly successful piece of legislation that has prevented 99% of the species it protects from going extinct." aides to former epa administrator scott pruitt held a newly-purchased office desk in storage to air out for a few days, after raising concerns that it contained formaldehyde. that's according to "politico," which obtained an email showing

orwell, what he wrote, practically a shooting script for donald trump. donald trump read it. the evidence t says he doesn't read much. >> sean: e that is who we count on. dan rather. here was a reaction, salem radio talk show host, larry elder. former secret service agent, nra tv contributor, dan bongino. larry, you are laughing. looking at the corrupt news man ever who made crack up! i would love to say what he really made up. he made it up. >> sean, where does one start with this trump derangement syndrome? trump is being hammered because he did notot accept the findings of the intelligence community as to russian meddling. these are the same people who accused george w. bush of lying us into the war even though george w. bush relied on all 16, the unanimous opinion, have our intelligence agencies, that site that saddam hussein had stockpiles at the highest level of certainty.pi george bush relied at the intelligence committee, the very same people slamming donald trump accused george w. bush. where do you start with the george w. bush? could not have

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. >> that was president trump again today with those comments that reminded some folks of orwell's 1984sales of which have spiked since inauguration day. here's how former long time republican political strategist steve schmidt reacted to those words earlier today on this network. >> when you're able to convince somebody what is certainly true is not, when you can embrace the big lie with the same type of effectiveness that fascist movements used it, that hitler used it, that mussolini used it, soviets used it, you are well on your way to doing lasting damage to the fundamental institutional pillars of a democratic republic like the united states. >> with us for this important discussion tonight doris concerns good goodwin presidential historian and author with us here in new york. she's written for starters about president lincoln and -- and bao reality we snap. what do you make of folding tonight's lead story in our times, and what happens when one side sees it as the president's word as no good anymore? >> i think the greatest danger as you were saying earlier to our democracy is the

. >> shades of george orwell and "1984" as well.e e-mails obtained by "the times," amy stoddard, there's this quote saying that the president also called for the ordering of two additional televisions to support beam, a tivo-like streaming device to make sure the president and first lady could both watch tv in their separate hotel rooms when they travel. >> yes, what's interesting is actually a cnn reporter asked the spokesperson for the first lady today about this. and was met with a response that said something like this is the number of kids that are afraid to go to school every day because they get bullied and it seems really silly to be focused on what people are watching on tv or what channel the tv is tuned to. we know that the first lady and the president have separate quarters and sometimes go days without seeing each other, they have totally separate schedules. i think they watch separate tv stations. it's very interesting, the details that came out in the piece. >> and in fact in that statement from stephanie grisham, i b

not george orwell telling you to reject the information from your eyes and ears.at's the president saying, believe me, not them. you can make the decision for yourself. you should. it should be obvious. as you do, you might want to consider this report from the "new york times," showing just what the president himself sees and hears. it is what he wants to see and hear. according to an e-mail exchange obtained by the "times," the president saw the tv turned to cnn that his wife was watching and the president raged at his staff for violating a rule that the white house entourage should begin each trip tuned to fox. officials confirmed that tuning the st.tvs to fox would be stand operating procedure going forward. with us is one of the reporters on the story. shannon and john pacback, as we. katie, this stems from an e-mail exchange you managed to obtain. tell us more about that and what it shows. >> well, i mean, it was an e-mail exchange between white house military office officials and white house communications officials. it illustrates the degree to which the p

trump's blatant request that people ignore their own eyes could literally be ripped from george orwell'stold you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. now, liberals have long attacked trump as bad for working people, a conman who ran on populism, but governed for the 1%, kind of a policy chief. another critique is that trump is actually challenging something more valuable than property, our sense of reality itself, consider another dystopian writer curtis jackson who said hate a liar more than i hate a thief. a thief is only after my salary. a liar is after my reality. in fact, in that same song, there is another axiom, quote, here's a jewel, love your enemies and hate your friends, your enemies remain the same, friends always change. and some of the friends who know trump best are changing, michael cohen, rick gates, michael flynn. trump's wider cast of political friends, republicans who've never met him around the country, they're standing strong tonight and appear down with his reality. i'm joined by steve schmidt. what do you think trump is doing, and is he aware, to some deg

. >> i won't say it was mccarthy like but but was orwell yan. it's strange that peter strzok can't have thoughts and express them. should he have done it professionally? but imagine this plikens sitting there as if their biases doesn't affect actions. and the hypocrisy of it all is the entire hearing is based on their bias to get a political outcome and yet they put peter strzok theres a the bogeyman. it was zpiekable. >> do you think anything of substance came from this zerlina. >> no. i don't think so. to rick's point i was nodding along very excited rick made the point. because, the idea gnat oversight committee is criticizing peter strzok for having bias in an investigation while they clearly demonstrate their bias in an investigation is the ultimate irony. but in addition i'd love to see the republican text messages from that point in the campaign. >> me too. >> because as peter articulated during his testimony and again i'm not defending his behavior or actions i think they were inappropriate and he was appropriately removed. but he was ta