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before little a said today about george orwell's neo mccarthyite sympathies it was all well who shopped icons like charlie chaplin to u.k. authorities for subversion it was george orwell who advised the british foreign office that the legendary paul robeson was a racist that's paul robeson who spent his life fighting fascism and who recognize that without the soviet union d.-day would not have been possible donald trump of course is infamously smeared as a russian agent in nature a nation media if he was an agent he would have perhaps mentioned that without russia d.-day would have been impossible so what's behind group think joining me now via skype from los angeles is american actor singer and entertainer robert davi he was the f.b.i. agent in die hard and the bomb villain in license to kill robber welcome to going underground your father 14 was wounded in world war 2 what did it mean to see your president commemorate this month 75th anniversary of d.-day. well 1st option i want to thank you for having me on the show and and what a great name you have. your name is almost the action b

as orwell knew, he didn't have the imagination of a great novelist.rstrip one was inspired by london after the war, when it was still blitz—damaged. the texture of the ministry of truth was based on his time working for the bbc. the destabilising of the idea of truth came to him when he thought of truth came to him when he fought in the spanish civil war and saw the news reports in many of the papers, particularly the stalinist papers, just bore no resemblance to what he'd seen. ingsoc was basically a satirical exaggeration of totalitarianism, the things that orwell had learned about hitler's germany and stalin's russia. so it is oppressive on multiple levels. the thought police, they basically arrest people for things they haven't even done yet. you have surveillance through the two—way telescreen, and then you have the most pernicious form of all, which is doublethink, which basically teaches people to believe two contradictory things, and to have lost faith in objective truth. there is so much in the book that different aspects of it come to the su

trade told us more coming up in today's going on the ground but 1st on this day in 149 george orwell published the dystopian novel 1984 and just as 184 was 35 years up to 949 so we had today 35 years from 1904 little of that perhaps that a political refugee in moscow who revealed a mass surveillance by nato powers using our mobile phones argues that life is more dangerous today than in the book 1984. is an important book but we should not bound ourselves to the limits of the author's imagination you know our times have shown that the world is much more unpredictable and dangerous than that it's certainly dangerous for snowden he's too afraid to go to donald trump's usa for fear of capture and the man who helped him and who revealed google glass all well again hora has been tortured by the british government at southeast london according to the u.n. i mean google glasses you know possibly or. realize nation of. some orwellian horror in the sense that. this place is a google between your eyes and the world so you not only is who are collecting your email with you use team have you sent

trade will tell us more coming up in today's going on the ground and 1st on this day in 149 george orwell published the dystopian novel 1984 and just as 184 was 35 years up to 9049 so we had today 35 years from 1904 the one that perhaps that a political refugee in moscow who revealed a mass surveillance by nato powers using our mobile phones argues that life is more dangerous today than in the book 984. is an important book but we should not bound ourselves to the limits of the author's imagination you know our times have shown that the world is much more unpredictable and dangerous than that it's certainly dangerous for snowden he's too afraid to go to donald trump's usa for fear of capture and the man who helped him and who revealed google glass all well again hora has been tortured by the british government it southeast london according to the u.n. i mean google glasses you know possibly or. realize ational of. some orwellian horror in the sense that. this place is google between your eyes and the world so you not only is who are collecting your email with you used seem out of use and

authorities for subversion it was george orwell who advised the british foreign office that the legendary paul robeson was a racist that's paul robeson who spent his life fighting fascism and who recognize that without the soviet union d.-day would not have been possible donald trump of course is infamously smeared as a russian agent in nature a nation media if he was an agent he would have perhaps mentioned that without russia d.-day would have been impossible so what's behind group think joining me now via skype from los angeles is american actor singer and entertainer robert davi he was the f.b.i. agent in die hard and the bomb the villain in license to kill or welcome to going underground your father ford was wounded in world war 2 what did it mean to see your president commemorate this month 75th anniversary of d.-day 1st batch and i want to thank you for having me on the show and and what a great name you have you know your name is almost actually read. it feels like it belongs in. a bond film the day my dad my dad fought in world war 2 he was a gunner on a merchant marine ship for

with what china has been able to do with the creation of a surveillance state that would make george orwell pale in comparison when china is --ating this system where how loyal each of its citizens are to the regime based on their daily movements because of the presence of facial recognition and the willingness of chinese tech companies to share that information with the government. that authoritarian monitoring surveillance space concerns me greatly. that vision they are offering around the world, number one, number two, i think we sometimes underestimated the economic investments that precluded our country for the last six years. being the leader in setting the standards, it has brought us a lot. it will be a different world in these areas, like ai and facial recognition, 5g, if china is the leader and ends up setting the standards. europeanow this well, governments are questioning the van. they say they can allow weigh down in their commercial network -- they can allow huawei in their commercial network. how do you see that? sen. warner: you hear british politician say that. you don't he

for this, so that winds up giving a granular view of the way we live far beyond what even george orwell could have imagined when he wrote "1984." >> so that's from an individual level. we sign up for these aps, we get our data collected, but peter, tell us about the national perspective. you're in this a lot. you're doing a lot of advising. what do you think from a national perspective and how are people wrapping their minds around this? >> eva, that's a great question. from the national perspective, i think the biggest question we have is, when does the united states have its sputnik moment around cyber? by that, sputnik was the first satellite into space, in 1957, everyone expected it to be an american satellite and the russians beat us to it. that was the wake-up call that started a lot of other things. the question really is for us, are we going to wait for an actual sputnik? or are we going the start acting now ahead of that? one could argue, 2014, 21 million americans had their records stolen, and the records went very deep. almost all federal employees, people with security clear

it's george orwell writ large. if we're going to be concerned what the future looks like, that is one possible future you collect all this data, the law enforcement, government, or corporations can use it in this way. that's the scary part. >> what happens if the technology misidentifies anybody. >> the aclu did a test where they looked at -- they used some of the software and were able to check the faces of african-american congressmen and women, and a lot of them came up as false positives as criminals, right? so it was a way to show that like you know what this doesn't quite work. >> it's not perfect. >> definitely not perfect. i think an overreliance on the technology is where it gets really dangerous. >> do you like it on your iphone >> it's great actually, not just for unlocking the phone, but a lot of sensitive apps are tied to it, so like my banking app for example, it authenticates me through my face. >> which is an extra level of security. >> the other thing to note is this is something apple makes clear.

elected and ,anaged, and use in ways that it is more like something you would read out of a george orwell novel or something. in machines truly are charge, whether we would like to believe it or not, and it is an unfortunate thing, because there are a lot of people that need to work. and the smarter we get, seemingly, the fewer people were. so i thank you very much for listening. host: thanks. guest: lots of interesting points there. as far as making a lot of guesses, that is perhaps true, because, if you are doing a google search today, the moment you start typing in the first couple letters or words, the machine is already guessing what it might be based on the kinds of things to have been searching along those lines. so you can actually see weather is specific news breaking out, the computer is able to guess what people might be potentially searching for. the caller also mentioned the superpowers. obviously there is a global race to be, like, the world leader in artificial intelligence. china has said it wants to be and they are 2-- leading the effort, and that is why there is a push i

says george orwell's 1904 is always going to be a battle and guess who's making out really well of coursethe weapons dealers and the people involved. the ultimate manifestation of the national security state is that is not only seeks a perpetual state of war it will even go to all the ins to create that perpetual state of war i'm always reminded of a book at it long time ago called them is a map. and that book has a beautiful sentence. i am an invisible man not because they don't exist. but because you choose not to see prince friend do you know the ben lomond family this is ironic and mid eighty's if you remember we had been the one state who were supporting the mujahideen to liberate afghanistan from the soviets. bled then came to thank me for my efforts to bring their americans our friends to help us against the atheists he said the communist. when i last saw been lost in this camp high in the mountains of afghanistan. with an air raid shelter built into the living rock of amount to 2530 feet high. camps built by the cia late as they tried to find cruise missiles and of course when you

penalizing them or rewarding them that's just sort of massive you know it's something like george orwell's 19 eighty-four you know we're all well wrote big brother is watching you know big brother didn't actually have the technological capacity to watch you but now. it does so i think that's that's likely to be to have horrific consequences for inclusion and just the quality of people's lives so i don't think you can you could guarantee the technological improvements like that in a dictatorship would would have some technocratic benefits i think it just it just facilitates the manipulation of society by by autocratic elites in my opinion but they only tell never so only that i mean it's usually not the one group of people who are just enriching themselves it's usually you know competing interests why abusing or using the state for their own benefit and i think it's often the case that there are the literature of the political leadership of the country may not necessarily be interest i'm sure secretary she or president putin are not making money out of being the leaders of that country at l

we're talking that this happens to be george orwells 600t 600th birthday. i think some of you read books and it might help to think about treating people decently in shelters as well as providing shelters rather than sticking people outside. not to be scared neighbors, but to be scared for neighbors is a pretty good thing, who are, incidentally, hard-working tax-paying citizens. i've always been worried going by episcopal sanctuary that there were ambulances. the answer is oh, not get this thing out of my neighborhood but help people to be in better shape. don't take their property, don't take tents, don't deny them sleep, don't deny them peace of mind or a right to own property or don't deny them hope. and, basically, i am uncomfortable supporting a navigation center where people are going to be mistreated if the city's record holds true, but this is a minimum. anyone who genuinely believes that they want folks to be treated decently doesn't say get if center out of my neighborhood but say make this center in my neighborhood and make it well explained, pro

that's george orwell in "1984." there is something similar to what's happening now where the president is saying he didn't say something he clearly did. abby, one thing on this visit. given that theresa may is on her way out over the summer, given everything else that's happening, will any actual business get conducted or really is there only the opportunity for trouble in the next few days as the president is there? >> it does seem very much that there is ample opportunity for president trump to make waves here. not much opportunity for him to actually do anything of substance with the government as it is currently constituted. he's still having a meeting with theresa may tomorrow. they are still expected to have a joint press conference. the expectation is that the president will try to ingratiate himself with people running to be her successor, with some of the pro breast cancbrexiters. john bolton has been in town for days now. this is a united states government that's clearly working to put pressure on the brit

business in another sense there is a business that uses war to get its hands established this is george orwell's19 eighty-four dubai was always going to be in battle and guess what. making out really well of course of the weapons dealers and the people involved. while the ultimate manifestation of the national security state is that is not only seeks a perpetual state of war it will even go to all eons to create that perpetual state of war i'm always reminded of a book at it long time ago called them is a map. and that book has a beautiful sentence. i am an invisible man not because they thought exist. but because you choose not to see prince friend do you know the family this is ironic and amid the 80s if you remember we had been on stage who were supporting the mujahideen to liberate afghanistan from the soviets. bled then came to thank me for my efforts to bring their americans our friends to help us against the atheists he said the communist. when i last saw bin ladin in this camp high in the mountains of afghanistan. with an air raid shelter built into the living ruckus amount to 2530 feet

undermines the nature of people's attitudes toward life orwell, toward defense toward offense as well. dictatorships, the are far more able to canalize feelings and act upon them. to recognizetant that the german people supported when hetler the most brought home gains with peace, such as after the munich crisis of 1938.ber now, yes, when he went into poland and slaughtered the pols in six weeks, they loved it also, even though there were larger lossesd, than most people recognize. the pols fought bravely. still, that was a gain, after hitler conquers france in summer, june of 1940, of course. a tremendous wealth of german pride. they feltlly where most proud and happy and secure is when hitler was destroying treaty of resigh, step by everyeacefully, and after single event, he said that's my last concession that i need, after the land in czechoslovakia, 1938. peace.'s talk about he always offered the possibility of peace, especially in the west, and he also took the position that he was the defender of western christian atheisticon against bolshevisn. any other questions while we stop

. >> they knew like in george orwell's "1984," up is down, black is white and something very wrong withics. >> i want to move on to the fact that most of the democratic party running for president, which is most of the democratic party, is -- >> are you announcinannouncing? >> was in california this weekend. they moved it up. it's a super tuesday state now. and one of the questions i have is this is senator kamala harris's backyard. there was a lot of support for her in that room but there was support for liz warren, bernie sanders, cory booker. she does not have the state sewn up. >> the delegation was over to the left. it was a pretty big bernie group on that side. california will be a very, very competitive state. it will be incredibly important given its placement in the calendar. what i thought more interesting coming out of what was going on the past couple of days in california is what was happening with hickenlooper. the fact that he would get up in a room like that and basically parrot a republican trope basically saying we're not going to win by electing a socialist. >> here's

. >> orwell owns that. in any event he is proud, he is a proud democratic socialist.e's going to go out on the campaign trail and try to make people understand his brand of it. >> i think that's important to take the offensive to talk about in terms of class division, to talk about it in terms of gross income inequality and how that plays out from, you know, being devastated by healthcare costs or the cost of higher education and access to higher education and he is speaking to a growing and really animated part of the democratic base. and this is an interesting inner play, i think. you ask biden right now about a lot of things, like he said about claik the other day, do you know what my climate change policy is, beat donald trump. there is a part of the democratic wing, the progressive wing that is supportive of sanders, the broader electorate probably less so right now. you have an opponent in donald trump who is saying come on in and we are going to brand you as we're going to turn america into venezuela and it's going to have traction with a lot of people. >> ther

chinese tech companies and chinese government to build a surveillance state that would make george orwell flinch. i think we're still trying to grapple with that. >> basically offer them to other regimes around the world, three-part plan. one, authoritarian form of government, repressive regimes, two belt and road initiative that offers traditional 20th century economic financing for countries who are open and, three, increasingly they are offering this technology-driven state model to pakistan, eatingopia, venezuela and elsewhere. quite honestly, one of the things that is of great concern to me about what the chinese government has been able to do, it bothers me a great deal when we see american technology companies who have no problem working with china on development of their social credit system or surveillance state tactics and some of those same companies then having challenges working with the american defense establishment. that is something i think we need to examine and, frankly, have some honest heart-to-heart conversations with some of those company. where do we go from here?

are the three remember i used to talk about ulta beauty and now it is z z scaler >> did you read orwell >> he actually said "don't be evil." remember that? >> no, not today that should be what they start with, not today satan. david, how is shopify doing? >> excellent etsy and shopify sticking to the man being amazon they're sticking to that >> amazon is really suffering. >> reuters on the tape right now. white house officials still a long way to go on mexican talks. but, if they go well, the president could decide not to move forward with tariffs on monday the mar >> we had a great over sold rally. that will change if mexico is held off and there is progress not just viva or beyond meat >> everything is going to run wild bus yo because your buddy powell is going to cut rate? >> word "buddy" is putting too much polish on their relationship, right? >> i know jay and i know jay's wife very well they're my colleagues. they're terrific >> oh, we didn't get at&t. >> oh, that's just great, david. >> we'll get to it in a moment let's get to the jobs number first and what could be an economic w

elected and ,anaged, and use in ways that it is more like something you would read out of a george orwellovel or something. in machines truly are charge, whether we would like to believe it or not, and it is an unfortunate thing, because there are a lot of people that need to work. and the smarter we get, seemingly, the fewer people were. so i thank you very much for listening. host: thanks. guest: lots of interesting points there. as far as making a lot of guesses, that is perhaps true, because, if you are doing a google search today, the moment you start typing in the first couple letters or words, the machine is already guessing what it might be based on the kinds of things to have been searching along those lines. so you can actually see weather is specific news breaking out, the computer is able to guess what people might be potentially searching for. the caller also mentioned the superpowers. obviously there is a global race to be, like, the world leader in artificial intelligence. china has said it wants to be and they are 2-- leading the effort, and that is why there is a push in

is 1984 george our -- george orwell stuff. it troubles us all. i appreciate this hearing. i am aware that we will hear from her witnesses. we will talk about this important subject and how the chairman has said it is virtually unregulated. i think that needs to change. with that, i would yield back, i look forward to hearing her witnesses and the discussion. >> i want to welcome her witnesses. this is the founder of the justice league and mr. andrew ferguson. the university of the district of columbia. the david a clark school of law. associate for the center on privacy and technology at georgetown university law. i did the best i could with what i had. thank you very much. also, dr. cedric alexander. if you would all please stand and raise your right hand, i will announce you in. do you swear that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so have you got -- help you god? the witness has entered in the affirmative. the microphones are extremely sensitive, please speak directly into them. they sure it is on when you speak.